Nishiki Time Trial

Was your bike gathering dust that whole time?

Now I'm going to go gut more fish and gain creative juices while you patrol velospace for incorrect thoughts.

Art is (in my opinion) mainly the raw geometry of the frame which is fairly aggressive and intense. A beautiful beast this bike, or simply said: "a piece of art".

You said it lacks function? So does your comment.
The frame looks actually very functional to me and the lack of components is something any real cyclist could slap on within 20 minutes or so. But since you seem to miss that fact I think I might be wasting my breath right now.

Oh I saw you are (or were) riding the new CAPO well that says a lot about your knowledge of bikes... that is one ugly ass bike that CAPO (in my opinion)... made in TAIWAN since CANNONDALE sold out how sad...

at least one could actually ride my bike. art is the result of human creativity, and this piece of art lacks creativity all together.

it seems to me that you are incapable of grasping the essence of my previous elaboration in which I clearly stated that this bike is perfectly rideable after a few minutes of work, some tires and cables. Your comment shows your incompetence to read and and understand a statement answering your first question which makes me come to the conclusion that you are a total retard that rides a shitty bike and cannot appreciate a better looking/better made bike by someone else.

If you still don't get it you might want to take some English classes.

Also your definition of art is straight up shit. Everything is art.

you dont have get hostile and personal. all i'm saying is that you can't ride the bike because it has missing parts, and i dont see how that's "art." elaborate on everything is art.

there are a few modern artists (and probably some older artists I don't know about) who believe "everything is art" meaning literally everything. Now this is a very abstract philosophy but it is a believe that is out there. I personally differentiate certain types of art but in this case think that the frame itself is art. The frame builder is the artist and framebuilding is an artform. You could argue that the composition of the components (even though they are incomplete, maybe intentionally) and the pictures/photography is art. Art is not something defined as absolute. Art has no boundaries.

http://kitoba.com/pedia/Everything+About+Art.html

There are many opinions on this topic and I do not invalidate any of them even if they disagree with me. I still accept them to be believed by others.

also, if everything is art, dummy, then this guy telling you that your bike is a shit heap is, by your definition, art.

but maybe that is just some older artist that you don't know about talking.

i think this conversation is art. its great what the internet has done for us. now i can come home from a shitty day and read a silly argument between two people i don't know and laugh. i love life.

hmmm it seemed like you were trying to invalidate my definition of art by calling it "straight up shit." you seem like a very closed minded person who needs to relax a little. you don't need to get so worked up over a little comment.

And now it seems like you are getting worked up over my comment since you keep posting stuff that has long drifted away from the original point of the argument which was: "Why is this bike art?". When I say I accept your opinion how does that make me closed minded? I actually think you are closed minded by not accepting this bike as art.

I accept your opinion, as you are entitled to it, but your "definition" of art is, in my opinion, "straight up shit" because it does not reflect art by any means. Therefore your definition would be "invalidated" by tons of people because it lacks support.

So I believe you reflect your insecurities on me and therefore are a closed minded person who needs to relax a little.

And regarding that idiot who calls himself "cool bike dude" : please try revising your meaningless comment into proper English or at least try to explain how you can take a simple definition so out of context and maybe I can answer to you.

and that is art. take a deep breath in, bro. for someone who is so dead set on his artful bike being called "not art", you sure seem quick to dump on other peoples idea of "art". it is hard for me to understand why you feel the need to defend your bicycle so aggressively and at the same time you feel the need to shut others out. embrace the vibe of love that eminates from your retarded bike with no tires and let it into your heart. also, i am sorry my english isn't proper, i didn't grow up in England.

Wow "bro"... my bike? This is not "my bike" you stupid shit. And by the way I did not grow up in England either. My native language is not English but I try to make an effort by thinking before I write something other people can read on this site.

As far as your argument of "expression is art"... I never said it was not.

You waste a lot of words on an online conversation between two people you don't know shit about. If you read this whole discussion carefully you might, and I say might because you seem mentally challenged, see that I was originally elaborating (look that word up if you don't know what it means) on "why this bike is art". That was the whole argument and all I did is throw out some perspectives about art. I did, matter of fact, not "dump on" anyone's "idea" of art but rather on their "definition" of art. See there is a difference between someone's personal opinion, to which everyone is entitled to, and someone's "definition" which he assumes to be a fact. Facts are not established by an individual alone but rather by societies and groups of people who agree to one's "facts".

If you cannot understand my simple elaboration I suggest you go and finish your high school education and then maybe read some books and learn on how to talk to grown ups before you post some more senseless shit on this website.

i'm, just trying to chill here. like, all those words you use, i don't understand and all, but listen: i'm just and unfrozen caveman lawyer and when you type words to me on the internet i think "are there little people inside this glowing box?" by good books do you mean like those M is for Murder books or some of the classics like the bourne identity?

dogs playing poker, now that is some great art, don't you think? i mean, the guy (or guys?!?) that thought of that really think aoutside of the box! i mean, my dog, like, it doesn't play poker, it just licks its balls and mine sometimes and it just blows my mind that you could take something like a dog and make it play poker! that would be like a toaster talking on9 the phone. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOASTER? YOU SHOULD BE MAKING TOAST!

in closing: i think i saw you on Gag Factor 4.

"i'm, just trying to chill here. like, all those words you use, i don't understand and all, but listen..."

Dude you should lay off that bottle or that other shit you must be taking because you sound like a straight up, strung out dopefiend with severe mental retardation.

In closing you saw me? Like you know what I look like? What gender and ethnicity I belong to? What my physical characteristics are and so on.

You ain't seen shit homes! You would not see your own asshole if you stuck your head up in it. That is "in closing"

that when you go to sleep at night you understand that you are the type of person who tells people to read books. this is obviously because you are better than them.

Your dumb ass comments brought me a lot of happy minutes... oh yeah I love the internet.

You don't have to assume that I feel like I am better than anyone. I think a cockroach would probably feel like it is better than you on an intellectual level. Me personally, I ain't better than anyone only cause I ain't as dumb as you. I don't assume things about others like you did.

Assumptions can be like judgments so I keep away from those.

i just killed myself because of your witty retort. goodbye cruel world!

Hey aliderkrasse, I almost feel guilty for leaving you for so long to defend your opinion regarding my calling this bike an “art bike” (in its original notes) against such formidable intellectual opponents, but I must confess that the entertainment value was too rich to allow my own comments to interrupt.

Let me jump in here at this point. Although I have a degree in art, I don’t think it really needs to get too complicated.

The bike was built up the way it was because I wanted an interesting bike to hang on my wall. I would have no practical reason to ride a bike like this. I have other bikes for riding. I like looking at the extreme geometry and the mix of colors and components as part of my office environment while I work on design projects. Does a bike that hangs on the wall need tires, or for that matter any other particular components? Seems to me that bare rims like these beauties look sleeker without tires, so why have tires if it doesn’t even touch the ground? Form follows function in applied design, and in “art”, form can be considered independent of any particular function at all.

Obviously, the argument that a thing can’t be admired for its own visual or symbolic qualities because it is missing parts is beyond laughable, and I salute you for the strong advocacy of your position.

I like the way you put that perspective of art into words and I agree with you on that. I also really like this bike.

As far as the previous online conversation goes... good times.

Thanks

get off the internet and go ride your bike.

(no comment needed)

you can't have it.

the frame immediately committed seppuku.

art bike.

is overrated. Like tires.