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yeah, I don't know, I'm in kraynicks all the time, but I haven't been there hanging out in the back room to much lately, I'm usually at races, I don't think I'll make the one on the 21st, but I'll be at the afterparty once I get out of work at 5. I've been debating painting my bike white, and putting blue tires/bartape on it, but you kinda ruined that for me. haha

from what I can remember there's 3 different sizes as far as the drop goes, there's some that are perfectly flat, there's the one on mine that drop a good bit, and then the one's are are in the middle, like the ones on this bike http://velospace.org/node/1594

and I think they're the 38cm wide ones too,

i'm not sure, the ones they used to sell at chucksbikes.com for .50. I can measure some stuff if you have any specific questions, but i'm not sure of a model number or anything

They look like Syntace Stratos. The Stratos bars come in zero (0 drop), 200 (5 degree drop), and 400 (15 degree drop. I've used the Stratos 200 on past Triathlon bikes and really liked it, until Vision Tech came out with a base bar.

Here's the link: http://www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=3&pk=360

Hope that helps....

alright, then yeah, they are the stratos, and they're definately the 400's, and my girlfriend has the 200's on her white bike I showed you. I used to have the ones she has on my bike, and they were alright, but I definately like the deeper drop better, if for no other reason, I just think they look better,