General: “Berserk Cyclist Uses Bike Lock On Dude’s Face”

I happened across this a few days ago. I can’t tell what led up to this altercation OR who tossed the first punch, but I’d like to hear your opinion about this video.

Here is the link;

http://animalnewyork.com/2009/07/berserk-bicyclist-uses-bike-lock-as-a-fist/

The pedestrian was definitely pressing his luck by following the cyclist after the cyclist was walking away but seriously... that old dude poses no threat, just ride away. If it was a more intimidating pedestrian I'd understand how the guy could claim self defense but that old asian dude... come on. And, even after the cyclist hit him with a lock once the pedestrian wasn't going to fight back so everything after that was even more unnecessary.

acid spit.....thats some scary shit

Fuck that. If this happened more often people wouldn't regard cyclists as pussies, and do shit like call us faggot, throw shit at us, cut us off and laugh about it etc.

Posted By: SkidMarkFuck that. If this happened more often people wouldn't regard cyclists as pussies, and do shit like call us faggot, throw shit at us, cut us off and laugh about it etc.

Yeah, because an athletic young man beating up an old man with a u-lock is totally unpussy. That cyclist definitely earned the respect of the general public!

Posted By: deermattif your gonna hit someone, be a man and (walk away) or use your fists.

Or just beat them over the head with your wang, cause that'll really show him how much of a man you are

Posted By: SkidMarkFuck that. If this happened more often people wouldn't regard cyclists as pussies, and do shit like call us faggot, throw shit at us, cut us off and laugh about it etc.

If this happened more often, you'd see more motorists taking the law into their own hands with cyclists.

It's called "escalation". You use your fist, I use my U-Lock. I use my U-Lock, you use your (insert more powerful weapon here, be it car, dog, gun, etc.). Escalation is a BAD idea, because it won't stop until someone is dead.

Not enough info to see what started this incident or who was right or wrong. However, the cyclist either could have rode away, or pushed the man off him and then rode away. Instead, he could now be charged with simple assault.

That's crazy! I definitely don't enjoy being called a faggot or having stuff thrown at me, but I don't think beating up people with locks is the best way to go about stopping that from happening.

I was riding with some friends around three months ago and some kids yelled at us. One of the people I was riding with caught up to him at a red light and hit his side-view mirror with his lock and we almost got into an eight or nine person fight because of it. It was crazy and I wouldn't suggest it.

I'm surprised the Asian guy was still standing, truthfully.

Crazy video, considering I live just down the block. I can say for certain that the people of my neighborhood have no respect for cyclists but it seems to me that these same people have little respect for any type of vehicular traffic. With that said, I can certainly understand how frustrated one gets with rude pedestrians and drivers, but hitting a person with u-lock is totally excessive. It's almost impossible to justify that type of behavior.

Posted By: sfbeeOr just beat them over the head with your wang, cause that'll really show him how much of a man you are

hahahahahahaha

shitstain, the fact that you support this kind of behaviour is sad, sadisctic and makes me think you're a fucking idiot. none of your running on about bullies, shit talk, pussies, respect, etc. even came close to justifying what this U-lock swinging asshole did to this (old, defenseless, non-physically threatening) man or what you did in highschool. You both deserve jail time for what you did.

p.s. when you mentioned your 'bully' having too much pride to go to a teacher after what you did to him, are you not only admitting YOU did the same thing in regards to what he did to you? that guy was an asshole and you're no better than him. if you can't take being called a "pussy" or "faggot" and thrive on people "fearing you" than sell your bike for a Muay Thai membership and fight legally. You're mentality is nausiating. You aren't the cyclist from the video are you?

First off cloud, my name pertains to skidding with your tire, you know on your bike? Maybe you have some sort of scat fetish.

Sometimes you don't go to teachers out of fear of repercussion from bullies, and sometimes teachers do nothing. Must be nice to live such a sheltered life to never experience this situation.

I'm pretty sure a juvenile first offense that was committed in self-defense would net me nothing more than 3 or 5 days suspension, we're talking like 1980.

Really you don't know shit about me and apparently you didn't even read everything I wrote and just knee-jerked to the things you didn't like. I also wrote:

"That's how I've handled any bully since (standing up to them), and it's to the point now where it never comes to violence. It's about not being intimidated, it scares the shit out of bullies."

And once again I will state you do not see the very start of the fight, it starts out of view of the camera. For all you know the victim could have brandished a weapon, and subsequently got it knocked away by the U-lock. You don't know the whole situation.

Posted By: SkidMarkFirst off cloud, my name pertains to skidding with your tire, you know on your bike? Maybe you have some sort of scat fetish.

Sometimes you don't go to teachers out of fear of repercussion from bullies, and sometimes teachers do nothing. Must be nice to live such a sheltered life to never experience this situation.

I'm pretty sure a juvenile first offense that was committed in sense defense would net me nothing more than 3 or 5 days suspension, we're talking like 1980.

Really you don't know shit about me and apparently you didn't even read everything I wrote and just knee-jerked to the things you didn't like. I also wrote:

"That's how I've handled any bully since (standing up to them), and it's to the point now where it never comes to violence. It's about not being intimidated, it scares the shit out of bullies."

And once again I will state you do not see the very start of the fight, it starts out of view of the camera. For all you know the victim could have brandished a weapon, and subsequently got it knocked away by the U-lock. You don't know the whole situation.

yeah, see, the real world doesn't work that way...unless prison is a viable option for you.

whether we saw the beginning of the altercation or not, u-lock guy's reaction was excessive. the old guy never tried to hit back, so why keep hitting? seems to be more malicious and less defensive.

(damn y'all, give teachers some credit. i don't play that bullying shit and know many others who don't)

I'm with skidmark on this one. The pedestrian is seemingly the aggressor, as demonstrated by the biker's continuous attempts to walk away. Apparently, the pedestrian felt like he needed to pursue the situation. He brought it on himself. Next time, he probably won't.

i think you're giving the "aggressor" an ungodly amount of credit & benefic of the doubt here.

skidmark, consider a change in perspective; if the cyclist wasn't a cyclist at all, another pedestrian, a skateboarder, on a segway, etc. or the older man was the one on a bicycle would you stand behind your opinions? I doubt it considering much of your argument is biased toward the guy who posseses the bike and only for that fact.

Posted By: SkidMarkWell teachers did wonders for your reading and comprehension skills.

What do you mean "real world" the event I described did happen in the real world and that was the outcome. I stopped the big bastard from picking on me by hitting him with my skateboard. He was 6 inches taller and 50lbs. heavier than me. He never got in trouble for months of daily abuse and I never got in trouble for getting him (or any other bully ) to leave me alone. I don't think you can go to prison for defending yourself against a bully, which is all I did and ever do if in such a situation. But that situation is nothing like what happened in the video.

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The pedestrian is the aggressor, he just bit off way more than he could chew. Why? Because it is widely regarded by non-cyclists that all cyclists are pussies. See how wrong they are?

d'oh! you got me there!!!

buuuuuuuut you should know that you can damn well get into legal trouble for physically retaliating to someone's verbal or previous about. just a 'lil.

and people don't think all cyclists are little veejay's. it's possible this is a personal issue

I wear cycling kit too on long rides and at the track, so much for that macho insecurity.

I don't know where you live but in places with a high population of rednecks you get that sort of shit all the time. I live outside of Portland and it's pretty much 50/50, I think I get some idiot yelling something at me about twice a year, or less.

Some people just look "macho" no matter what they may think or how they act. I really can't help being hairy and stocky, or for that matter being heavily tattooed. You can attach whatever stereotype you want to that, maybe 1/4 of them will be true.

cloud, I thought your "point" was that cyclists would side with cyclists? At least that's what I was getting at.

I think y'all might have some insecurities of your own that you are projecting.

Posted By: SkidMark
I think y'all might have some insecurities of your own that you are projecting.

check yourself. i think you may have a little dribble on your leg.

Posted By: SkidMarkI wear cycling kit too on long rides and at the track, so much for that macho insecurity.

I don't know where you live but in places with a high population of rednecks you get that sort of shit all the time. I live outside of Portland and it's pretty much 50/50, I think I get some idiot yelling something at me about twice a year, or less.

Some people just look "macho" no matter what they may think or how they act. I really can't help being hairy and stocky, or for that matter being heavily tattooed. You can attach whatever stereotype you want to that, maybe 1/4 of them will be true.

cloud, I thought your "point" was that cyclists would side with cyclists? At least that's what I was getting at.

I think y'all might have some insecurities of your own that you are projecting.

you're silly dude.

Posted By: SkidMark I really can't help being hairy and stocky, or for that matter being heavily tattooed. You can attach whatever stereotype you want to that, maybe 1/4 of them will be true.

thank you sfbee. this thread was becoming such a pissing match.

More Tom Arnold than Tom of Finland.

There's only one time I've ever been confronted physically. I was riding up a street, it was 2 lanes in both directions so the ass could've just gone around me, but instead chose to stay behind me screaming because I was in his way. That went one for about 2 blocks, at which point he swerved around me, stopped his car in the middle of the road, shoved me off my bike as I tried to ride past him again still without saying a word, he picked me up by my neck and held me against a wall screaming at me. The whole time I stayed as calm as I could. We then called the cops, gave them the make/model of his car, HIS LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, and a pretty damn good description of the guy including what he was wearing and what direction he went in. They wrote down a police report number, and I never heard a single word again. That is the last time I will ever assume doing things legally is always the best way to go, and the reason that the next time someone actually tries to start something with me, short of just yelling something at me, they're going to get my u-lock straight in their face. If I was a big guy I might be more willing to fight, but I'm 144lbs and 5'8, and I don't start shit with people, so I don't consider a u-lock to be any kind of method to get out my rage, but a hit(or more) to the head with my lock is the best way to say "leave me the hell alone" that I've got. I wouldn't hit someone over over and over just for the fun of it, but I wouldn't stop until it was clear they were ready to back down.

I can't say anything about the video because you can't see what happened around that corner, but as far as people saying he should've just walked/rode away, he clearly tried to leave 3 or 4 times and the guy yelling at him wasn't having it, and even if he's an older guy, the kid on the bike wasn't too big himself. If he really wanted to to cause the guy some pain I feel like he would've dropped his bike and swung that lock like a baseball bat, but the fact that he wouldn't let go of his bike and was swinging that lock around awkwardly makes me thing he was in a panic and just wanted out of there.

Posted By: upthemaidenI'll start my end of the mutual respect when I stop reading about pedestrians(and the occassional cyclist) that were run over and killed by someone in a car daily. I do absolutely everything I can to stay out of pedestrians way, but we're kinda working at an uneven mutual respect ratio of 200lbs to 3000lbs, in favor of cars. I'm just saying it's real hard to respect people who almost kill me 2-3 times a day.

Yea I know man, it’s like world peace; it’s a fantasy concept that will likely never happen, but sure would be great if it did!
I think know how you feel & agree that things won’t change till cyclists are feared or respected.
And that’s exactly what position the cars & trucks hold now.
If the mind set of everyone on the roads changed so we viewed each other as equals & paid attention to operating our vehicles, things would be fine except for the occasional true accident.

Sorry guys, I deleted my post, I'm being stupid about all of this.........I think the Video is very very wrong, the cyclist was wrong........that is my opinion, sorry for the name calling.........