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- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 6th 2009 edited
Post your favorite Leader "bikes."

I will start it off with this one!

http://velospace.org/node/17783
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 6th 2009
Also:

Not a bad looking bike but totally has the rear end problem.

http://velospace.org/node/21355
- CommentAuthorterrible_one49
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
Both of them posted have the rear end problem. Sad.
- CommentAuthorblue_and_gold
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
ahahahaha
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
Top one's fine. There's room in the end to change the tire for a 21 and keep the wheel tucked in.

Hey, Greg, isn't this thread a violation of the terms of use?
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009 edited
Posted By: Joshua A.C. NewmanTop one's fine. There's room in the end to change the tire for a 21 and keep the wheel tucked in.

Hey, Greg, isn't this thread a violation of the terms of use?

Stop drinking that hate-erade. It's all in fun. Changed the title so no one gets up in arms.

The first one is not though. That wheel looks all the way at the end of the track end.
- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
HA so good. I seem to recall that someone claimed that only 1 model of leader had this problem and that it was fixed for 2009. Here we have 2 models, 1 of which is a 2009.

I nominate every leader on trick track.

http://www.tricktrack.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=812&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
- CommentAuthorG star
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
I enjoy looking at Leader frames..... looooooooooooking...... not riding. tnx...
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
Posted By: wes m.http://www.tricktrack.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=812&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

What he actually did with the fork was smart. But the rest of the bike....

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- CommentAuthorgreg
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
You guys are great.

I've only received one email from Leader asking me to close the thread - the ASCII art ensures it will stay open for a long time to come
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
Posted By: gregYou guys are great.

I've only received one email from Leader asking me to close the thread - the ASCII art ensures it will stay open for a long time to come

Holy shit....
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
more of the same

http://velospace.org/node/19693
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
ohhhh....a 2009...

http://velospace.org/node/13789
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
read the notes on this one.... haha

http://velospace.org/node/19257

Well, I am going for a bike ride.
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009
Haha my new favorite thread. I'm off to hunt for gems!
- CommentAuthorjerereremy
- CommentTimeJul 7th 2009 edited
all i can think is "LSU" when i see that Lakers bike
- CommentAuthorSkidMark
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009 edited
Screw closing the thread. WTF they make a shit bike and there are pictures to back up what the issue is, and what, they want to keep on selling these shit frames to people? No, that's not shady at all!

I'll put this up on FGG forum too, and maybe even sign up for bikeforums, too.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
Posted By: SkidMarkScrew closing the thread. WTF they make a shit bike and there are pictures to back up what the issue is, and what, they want to keep on selling these shit frames to people? No, that's not shady at all!

I'll put this up on FGG forum too, and maybe even sign up for bikeforums, too.

Thats the spirit!
- CommentAuthorterrible_one49
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
It is sad that it's not only just that one bike pictured that had the rear wheel problem, but yet probably hundreds upon hundreds of frames that they produced during that period. A big FAIL in the design of the bike.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
It is odd that no one, including me has really noticed it in such a huge capacity.
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
Posted By: jam guyIt is odd that no one, including me has really noticed it in such a huge capacity.

Yeah honestly until you guys brought it up I just thought of leaders as cheap frames but I never bothered to notice how janky their design actually was.
I'd be soooo pissed if I bought a new frame and the rear wheel actually had the ability to hit the goddamn seat tube!
I'm guessing most of the kids droppin mom and dad's hard earned on LeaBay frames don't know how wrong that really is.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
Posted By: iron jaiden
Posted By: jam guyIt is odd that no one, including me has really noticed it in such a huge capacity.

Yeah honestly until you guys brought it up I just thought of leaders as cheap frames but I never bothered to notice how janky their design actually was.
I'd be soooo pissed if I bought a new frame and the rear wheel actually had the ability tohitthe goddamn seat tube!
I'm guessing most of the kids droppin mom and dad's hard earned on LeaBay frames don't know how wrong that really is.

But dude they look so cool.
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
The misplaced rear triangle is, indeed, really weirdly incompetent. If they've actually written Greg (can't tell if he's joking), then maybe they'll get it sorted.

Jam Guy, sorry about overreacting to the thread. VS was getting on my nerves with the cattiness and this thread was the unfortunate last straw.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 8th 2009
Posted By: Joshua A.C. NewmanThe misplaced rear triangle is, indeed, really weirdly incompetent. If they've actually written Greg (can't tell if he's joking), then maybe they'll get it sorted.

Jam Guy, sorry about overreacting to the thread. VS was getting on my nerves with the cattiness and this thread was the unfortunate last straw.

Haha its alright man. No hard feelings. The internet can be an odd place.
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Maybe it is supposed to be run with a 650 on back? ha
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
I thought of that, actually, but according to spec, it's not. Leader doesn't even sell a 650c fork.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
After seeing the quality of the bikes who here would actually run a leader fork? I would not. I am not saying they are made shitty but just my speculation alone would hold me back. BMX kids will remember those Brand X forks and the answer carbon forks. I had one of those break on me once and that was terrifying.
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009 edited
Posted By: jam guyanswer carbon forks.

ahhhh, no, get that thing away from me.
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Posted By: Joshua A.C. NewmanI thought of that, actually, butaccording to spec, it's not. Leader doesn't even sell a 650c fork.

No no 650 veep in the back and 700 sp0k in the front.

Tarck ain't even the goddamn word. Almost wish I had crazy dollars to throw away so I could build that up and race it once just to make you guys laugh.
- CommentAuthorsfbee
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009 edited
Posted By: iron jaiden
Tarck ain't even the goddamn word. Almost wish I had crazy dollars to throw away so I could build that up and race it once just to make you guys laugh.

If we each contribute a nickel to a paypal account for every thread that gets opened asking for a good starter bike or opinions on concept vs. bareknuckle, this could become a reality in say... a week?

It could be velospace's budweiser sweater
- CommentAuthorgreg
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Posted By: sfbee

If we each contribute a nickel to a paypal account for every thread that gets opened asking for a good starter bike or opinions on concept vs. bareknuckle, this could become a reality in say... a week?

It could be velospace'sbudweiser sweater

http://www.fundable.com/

Not saying, just saying
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Posted By: greg
Posted By: sfbee

If we each contribute a nickel to a paypal account for every thread that gets opened asking for a good starter bike or opinions on concept vs. bareknuckle, this could become a reality in say... a week?

It could be velospace'sbudweiser sweater

http://www.fundable.com/

Not saying, just saying

Haha! The Official Velospace Leaderbeik!
We'll pass it around from velodrome to velodrome.

legendary
- CommentAuthordas_pyrate
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
wouldn't running a shorter chain fix the drop out problem?
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Posted By: das_pyratewouldn't running a shorter chain fix the drop out problem?

ummmm... huh? The problem with the ends is that if you were to actually put your rear wheel all the way into them the tire would actually hit the seat tube. Not supposed to be possible.
Chain length is not a factor in that.
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 9th 2009
Posted By: iron jaiden
Posted By: greg
Posted By: sfbee

If we each contribute a nickel to a paypal account for every thread that gets opened asking for a good starter bike or opinions on concept vs. bareknuckle, this could become a reality in say... a week?

It could be velospace'sbudweiser sweater

http://www.fundable.com/

Not saying, just saying

Haha! The Official Velospace Leaderbeik!
We'll pass it around from velodrome to velodrome.

legendary

Oh man how do we do this?!?!?!
- CommentAuthorproudxvxyouth
- CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
Posted By: greg
Posted By: sfbee

If we each contribute a nickel to a paypal account for every thread that gets opened asking for a good starter bike or opinions on concept vs. bareknuckle, this could become a reality in say... a week?

It could be velospace'sbudweiser sweater

http://www.fundable.com/

Not saying, just saying

Ah, yes. What a lovely idea!
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
For sale locally. Yeah it's a camera phone image but it's pretty clear what's going on in the rear there.
Goddamn that's sad.

Oh yeah, and that's the 2009 model. Fixed the problem this year my ass.
- CommentAuthorsfbee
- CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
Nice. I know it's been said before, but it's pretty damn ridiculous that a company would put a product out like this. It's just plain sad.
- CommentAuthorsfbee
- CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
I'm still very much down for contributing to the velospace community leader, which we can dress up as sarcastically as possible, and pass around like the whore of a frame that it is :)
- CommentAuthorwyee06
- CommentTimeJul 10th 2009
The 725tr's are fine though
- CommentAuthorLyKqiD
- CommentTimeJul 11th 2009
I think this frame is a testament to the amount of people that buy a bike without actually knowing anything about it.
With that said, at the end of the day I am just happy I bought a 737r.
- CommentAuthorcarbon fiber15
- CommentTimeJul 11th 2009
ill contribute to a velospace leader
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 11th 2009
Posted By: LyKqiDI think this frame is a testament to the amount of people that buy a bike without actually knowing anything about it.
With that said, at the end of the day I am just happy I bought a 737r.

Yea they seem to be alright. Every time I look at one I am just baffled. I really think we need to get one and pass it around. I could actually use it as a thesis type project. We could really put the bike through its paces and see what happens. We could finally make honest men out of them.
- CommentAuthorI Have No Idea
- CommentTimeJul 11th 2009 edited
the 09 735tr with the bolt on drop-outs has no clearance issues,
with 700x21

and with a 700/23
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 11th 2009
Posted By: I Have No Ideathe 09 735tr with the bolt on drop-outs has no clearance issues,
with 700x21

and with a 700/23

Thank you for your input.
- CommentAuthorjerome
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2009
oh man leader...
- CommentAuthorjam guy
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2009
Posted By: I Have No Ideathe 09 735tr with the bolt on drop-outs has no clearance issues,
with 700x21

and with a 700/23

Looking back tonight, that bike looks fun to ride on the track.
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2009
Yeah, it seems to be an issue only with that bottom-of-the-line track frame of theirs.

I think their higher end ones are pretty cool. Such a glaring flaw does make me not want to build one, though. No Idea's looks really nice, though.
- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2009
I agree in theory. What I still find sketchy about the seemingly decent "higher end" frames they produce is potential flaws that arent so easy to spot. If they get a shipment of frames with funky rear triangles and say "hey, close enough, lets sell them" it makes me wonder about bad welds, flawed tubing, etc that they may have let pass inspection on ALL of their frames.
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2009
Yep.

I agree.

I want one, and I still agree enough to not get one.

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