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    What country do you believe builds better steel track bikes...... fit and finish
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    I didnt know Keirin and Pista were countries..
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    Me neither.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    Well my two options here arnt countries, and you asked which country builds a better frame... do you mean japanese or italian ? I would say theyre equal . I PERFER njs, but it doesnt mean theyre better in anyway.
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    Hahaha, Keirin's Prime Minister is a bitch. I much prefer Pista's ecinomic plan.
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    well, I was trying to leave it open ended on purpose for discussion. It doesnt have to be limited to Japan or itialy....... lets call it regional.
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    kobe steak or penne pesto...whats it gonna be.apples and oranges ya know.many top japanese frame builders were trained by italian masters such as rossin,de rosa etc. so in a way,on the top shelf at least,they are different paths to the same destination.
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    I like the dual purpose tree air freshener. Good form man.
    • CommentAuthorOtto Rax
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    Je vote pour la France / la Belgique
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    try to pronounce ciocc, i dare you
    • CommentAuthornikon13
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Chee-oh-cha....anyway...Years ago the Italians may have won , but today their offerings do not have the fit and finish required at their price-point ( Cinelli's supercorsa pista is a great example of this. ) . Keirin builders are some of the greatest in the world right now , and the only other builders on their level are , well , other custom framebuilders...
    • CommentAuthorzerocool33
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    What NJS frame is even available brand new besides the Panasonic POS (which is pretty sweet) and Kalavinka? I thought all these Keiren enthusiasts were buying old frames, not anything new. I would be interested in some new manufacturers if anyone knows of any. I highly doubt Fuji is among them.
    • CommentAuthorOtto Rax
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Alot of custom framebuilders aren't even built THAT well, they just cover it up with clean finishing and fancy paint jobs. At NAHBS this year, I was impressed with how shoddy some of the frames were built.
    • CommentAuthorlatron
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Posted By: Otto RaxJe vote pour la France / la Belgique


    Je suis d'accord !
    • CommentAuthoradriano
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Posted By: patrickviolencetry to pronounce ciocc, i dare you


    my guess is 'she-oak.'
    • CommentAuthorfixedpuch
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    had a customer come into the shop i work who owns 4 of em....he pronounced it "She=oak" aswell....
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    Posted By: nikon13Chee-oh-cha....anyway...Years ago the Italians may have won , but today their offerings do not have the fit and finish required at their price-point ( Cinelli's supercorsa pista is a great example of this. ) . Keirin builders are some of the greatest in the world right now , and the only other builders on their level are , well , other custom framebuilders...


    I agree with all of that. Otto is correct too, lots of new frame builders popping up with questionable product.
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    choach
    • CommentAuthorOtto Rax
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009 edited
     
    sheyoke
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Posted By: patrickviolencechoach
    • CommentAuthorGhibli
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009
     
    Posted By: zerocool33What NJS frame is even available brand new besides the Panasonic POS (which is pretty sweet) and Kalavinka? I thought all these Keiren enthusiasts were buying old frames, not anything new. I would be interested in some new manufacturers if anyone knows of any. I highly doubt Fuji is among them.


    Also you can order a new custom made Samson NJS frame from Harada San. As far as custom framebuilders in the States I agree with Otto Rax. That's why I built my own steel/lugged Bianchi "super pista" frame over the winter and even the trained eye can't tell the difference. Your best bet is to built your own or go with a fame Japanese builder.
    • CommentAuthorhenrydec1
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009
     
    Keirin steel.

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