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    So what's the deal with the Vuelta Super Deep Vs? There was bound to be a discussion about them soon enough. I like the whole deep section aero thing, but Hplussons are kinda pricey. So perhaps the Vueltas are a budget alternative, or they are complete crap. I don't want to hera, "Oh Vueltas are crap, they look shitty, etc. etc." I want to hear, "Dude, those things fail" or "Those things are heavy as hell, but they should hold up."

    Real stuff, you know, not like OMG OMG OMG CHECK OUT MAI FILL WOODZ LOLOLOLOL ALL OTHER HUBZ R GHEY. You know those discussions.

    On an alternate note, what about Sun Swifts or Dodicis? I've had experience with Sun Rims and I loved them, but the Swift is a pretty rare rim.


    Anyhow, Vuelta Super Deep Vs. Chat away.
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    this is a little OT, but its close enough....

    I love deep vees on the street. They are tough. Even the DP18's hold up like tanks, if they are not poorly built (I think thats where most the bad rap comes frome, but who am I).

    I dont get the benifit of running a heavy deep vee on the track. Someone please explain this if possible...... and please know what your talking about, or I will just pick your nonsince apart.

    Shawn
    • CommentAuthornartnailuj
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
     
    Feel Whood Hubs
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    Posted By: hardsole5280this is a little OT, but its close enough....

    I love deep vees on the street. They are tough. Even the DP18's hold up like tanks, if they are not poorly built (I think thats where most the bad rap comes frome, but who am I).

    I dont get the benifit of running a heavy deep vee on the track. Someone please explain this if possible...... and please know what your talking about, or I will just pick your nonsince apart.

    Shawn




    There is a great conjecture about the actual Aero benefits of deep section rims. I think it's clear that a Zipp is more aero than, say, an Open Pro, but I doubt Deep Vs or the Vueltas provide any aero benefit. However, I believe a deep rim paired with a high-flange hub allows the use of shorter spokes, producing a stiffer wheel. I have no clue how much stiffer, as two equally well-built wheels would likely be similarly stiff regardless of the spoke length. Plus I just think deep rims look cool.




    Posted By: nartnailujFeel Whood Hubs



    Fihl Woulds, Veep Deez, err-0-spawks, it never gets old :D
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    I am a fan of high flange tied and soldered myself. kinda old school I guess. I want to ride on a neat lookin pair of twisty jobs, I think those may feel pretty stiff too. I like the deep vee look too, but i suspect its coming to walmarts everywhere. Its so '07. give me a set off sheriff badges on simple Tied and soldered MA-40's
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    Posted By: hardsole5280I am a fan of high flange tied and soldered myself. kinda old school I guess. I want to ride on a neat lookin pair of twisty jobs, I think those may feel pretty stiff too. I like the deep vee look too, but i suspect its coming to walmarts everywhere. Its so '07. give me a set off sheriff badges on simple Tied and soldered MA-40's



    Or those old gun-metal anodized Wolbers. In my opinion Open Pro CDs are probably the most beautiful bicycle part around, save for a REAL track frame.
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    I just sold a set of those old woblers on 600 hubs. they were hot hoops indeed... what about the black campy omegas with the white and yellow splashy stripes. hotness.

    A real track frame he says. you mean like a pimp ass kilo-tt?
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    Posted By: hardsole5280I just sold a set of those old woblers on 600 hubs. they were hot hoops indeed... what about the black campy omegas with the white and yellow splashy stripes. hotness.

    A real track frame he says. you mean like a pimp ass kilo-tt?



    Yeah, any of those gun-metal colored rims. Hot stuff.
    And no, not a Kilo TT. I'm talking steep angles, short chainstays, tall bb, that stuff. Not a warmed over road frame with track ends. I may be young, but I'm a crusty old track racer at heart ;)
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    hahahahaha. ok. now we are talkin. have you seen my "real" track bike on my profile? a piece of paper is all that fits between the font tire and the down tube, and that is with 20c tubies.
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    i dont think you can buy a new bike with those kind of tolerences
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    those type of bikes are no good on the street though.
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    Clearly. I enjoy looking at them, and riding them occasionally. Unfortunately I'm a starving student so the hipster crisis has moved thos out of my price range. Ironically I ride a KIlo TT (as a rain bike) and a Langster. So you could fit a brick in between the tire and the town tube. Or a whole ream of paper.
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    im not hatin'. not everyone can go out and dump money on a vintage italian track bike, and like I said, they are no good on the street unless you just wanna tear them up. I ride an 86 schwinn madison on the street. While the geometry is much tighter then the new madisons (schwinn will never get it right, and any tight steel frame that ever said schwinn, was not a schwinn because they couldnt do it. had to hire builders like waterford) its still a hay wagon, but you wont worry about pinching pebbles or glass between the tires and frame!
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
     
    Posted By: hardsole5280this is a little OT, but its close enough....

    I love deep vees on the street. They are tough. Even the DP18's hold up like tanks, if they are not poorly built (I think thats where most the bad rap comes frome, but who am I).

    I dont get the benifit of running a heavy deep vee on the track. Someone please explain this if possible...... and please know what your talking about, or I will just pick your nonsince apart.

    Shawn


    When racing , a "heavy" wheel, carries your momentum , it wont slow you down. Actually, A light wheel can be harder to ride, because theres no weight to carry you along. Its physics. Also, the less spokes, and deeper the rim , the more aero you are, and the quicker you can possibly be. No one is running velocity deep vees on the track, but a wheel that has actually been wind tunnel tested like zipps, mavic's, eastons , heds.... make for a more aero back, and can help get you a higher top speed.
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    i get the whole inertia thing, but as it helps it hinders. you can not accelerate or sling shot as fast whith heavy hoops.they are fine once you gettem rollin though.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
     
    Exactly.. The goal is to have light , yet deep aero hoops. Most track bikes arnt too quick off the start as it is anyways, due to 90+ gear inches
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    im not talkin hole shot here, I am talking dead nuts sprint to get ahead!!!! thats where you need to have lite wheels to accelerate on the track... im not sayin that the whole areo= less wind resistance thing doesnt help...... but I dont believe areo does as much as its played up to. think about it, the front tire is cutting a path already, then the spokes are swirlin it around, how much is really left to slice. Not much at all. now, areo spokes......... do a tremendouse amont of cutting- if they are perfectly straight, and most the time they arnt and act more like propellers dragging.
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    and dont get me started on "aero" in a cross wind on the road.
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    Aerodynamics play a huge role, but only if you're going fast enough.

    Theo Bos cares about aerodynamics


    Joe Hipster doesn't
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    Well wind resistance is important , and a liter rim will equal quicker excelleration . Put your hand out the window when your driving with your pinky down , then rotate it sideways, more aero helps. The wind hits the tire, then onto the rim , if it really made no difference, they wouldnt be made (many wind tunnel tests have been done to prove this ). A aerospoke wheel Im pretty sure is less aero than most spoked wheels, and alot heavier, but a hed3/specialized tri / mavic io are the most aero wheels ever produced , which is every olympic rider uses one in the front.
    • CommentAuthorLyKqiD
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    Posted By: RideEveryday
    Theo Bos cares about aerodynamics
    Joe Hipster doesn't

    ha!

    Mavic/hed/tri's are almost the most aero, as far as wheels go, discs can never be beat.
    watch Theo Bos' world record, he is riding two discs on a puma frame.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    discs are the way to go in the back , when racing. If a velodrome is outdoors, you will rarely see a front disc, cause you will be blown over .
    • CommentAuthorredopossum
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    if you absolutely can't afford anything else, go with vueltas. But coming from someone who had to true them every other week because of their incredibly poor quality, they're not even worth the small price
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    Good to know. That was the point of this discussion, because there are plenty of deep section rims (Hplussons, Dodicis, etc.) that are somewhat expensive, but the Vueltas are much more affordable. So I wanted to know what experience people were having with the Super Deep Vs.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    Before this post, I've never even heard of these before . They look just like Hplus's , but much cheaper .

    If you want a deep rim, Velocity will have their b43 hoops out by the summer.
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    im sure you were having to true them all the time due to a sloppy overseas build. try having them tentioned at your lbs.
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    Hot damn, looked in to those Velocities. I'm phyched on those, hoping they'll be sub-$90 or thereabouts.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2009
     
    Actually , they will be right around 85-90 retail , about 200 grams heavier than the hplus , but they claim better construction.
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    Works for me. Plus I couldn't give two shits about weight. After pushing around a 35 pound BMX bike since I was a wee lad, these skinny-tire bikes don't bother me much.

    Plus I highly doubt I'll ever be able to ride hard enough to destroy them, so $90 seems like a good investment.
    • CommentAuthorModernDivo
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: hardsole5280i dont think you can buy a new bike with those kind of tolerences

    My Cypress is that tight at the front fork
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    yeah? with what size tire?
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    I only see one example on velosapce, its a beer can and the front end is very relaxed.
    • CommentAuthorModernDivo
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: hardsole5280yeah? with what size tire?

    with a 20c, you couldn't even fit a 23c in there
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    I think you are talking about where the front tire clears the fork crown. I am talking about where the front tire has to clear the down tube.
    • CommentAuthorModernDivo
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    My bad, I was confused
    • CommentAuthorsegress
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2009 edited
     
    they look good.. i had a vuelta rear wheel for awhile and was always concerned about it splitting down the middle-- staying true was an issue as was mentioned before. what are they made of does anyone know? when you tap on em they sound funny
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    just bought a pair, i'll let you know when and if they fail. they're heavy, a lot heavier than deep vs obviously, but they're lighter than weinmanns, which i've had too. they look pretty sick, and are powdercoated, but the rims look like they used to be msw so they have a kind of raised line around the rim. they're cheap, but until they catch on they probably won't have much resale value
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    Cool, thanks man. I guess I might just forget about the deep section rims and go with Open Pro CDs or, god forbid, dual HED 3s.
    • CommentAuthoradriano
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009
     
    Posted By: RideEverydaygod forbid, dual HED 3s.


    outside? on purpose?
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    Posted By: adriano
    Posted By: RideEverydaygod forbid, dual HED 3s.


    outside? on purpose?



    Why not?
    • CommentAuthoradriano
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009
     
    Posted By: RideEveryday
    Posted By: adriano
    Posted By: RideEverydaygod forbid, dual HED 3s.


    outside? on purpose?



    Why not?


    its nothing. go right ahead.
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    I sense the hipster comments bubbling around inside your head. It's okay. It's not as if the plan will ever come to fruition. Wishful thinking more than anything.
    • CommentAuthoradriano
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2009
     
    Posted By: RideEverydayI sense the hipster comments bubbling around inside your head. It's okay. It's not as if the plan will ever come to fruition. Wishful thinking more than anything.


    i wasnt thinking that at all, but a guilty conscience needs no accuser! if being used outside, wind would be an issue.
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    Oh, I see. Wind schmind. I'll say that until my face meets pavement in the first crosswind ;)
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    a rear disc isn't honestly that hard to ride in a mild wind conditions.

    Granted you don't want 35 mph+ but you'd get blown over regardless.
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    Most def. Too bad I'm poor and by the time I will be able to afford a HED 3, all the Hipsters will have decided to turn them into Cuckoo clocks or whatever the next trend will be.


    Brakeless, fixed gear cuckoo clocks.
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    i know a kid that had a set of Vuelta Super Deep Vs. he got ran off the road and hit a little curb at about 15mph. he dented them pretty bad but was able to ride it out. they seem pretty sturdy for the price. im sure any other wheel in that price range would have failed in that situation.

    p.s. hplus sucks...

    and yeah i ride a hed3 trispoke... crosswinds suck with aero wheels
    • CommentAuthorRasmus
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2009
     
    I don't want to talk bad about H+Son but I never really felt secure enough on mine, to push them to the limit. When I ride my mates velocity deep I get much more rigid feeling. :)
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    i was going faster than 15 and it wasnt too small of a curb

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