General: weight of your bike ? is it matter?

Hmm too heavy haha

17lbs

incoming 650c hed3 next season

too bad winter is coming

will probly go ride to an inside skatepark

... i know 17lbs is pretty lite... apparantly you dont know what the word sarcasm is, but yeah areospoke is pretty heavy for a front wheel... and i want a 650c, so id rather get a hed3 so much lighter and trust me 1pound changes alot when your ona balance ( wheel 1hand, no hand)

the 4 spoke one? I rather take the corima to, its look awesome. oh and no it dose not affect your balance, cuz when you are on your perfect balance point, anything could affect you, trust me haha

i own a Hed 3, a Corima, and a set of Zipp 404's. From my experience, i find the Zipp's to be the best out of the 3.

the Hed 3 is very aerodynamic, but only serves it's purpose at about 20+ mph. fast as hell once it's rolling and easy to maintain speed. it's the heaviest out of the 3 so it's not good to have for a lot of hill climbing. it's also very flexy. not laterally stiff. develops play if used as a track rear.

the Corima is badass. sounds real nice. i really like listening to the sound the spokes make at any speed. sounds best during acceleration. stiffness of the wheel is good. i think it's the best looking of the 3.

the dimpled Zipp Track 404's are no joke! way lighter than the Hed or Corima. Very stiff. the hubs are super smooth. said to be better than phils. wheels are super faaaaaast! don't have to replace the whole wheel if damaged. the best thing about it, i got the $2300 set for only $750 in practically new condition.

depending on set-up my bike is 14.5 lbs to 17.0 lbs. and even more with hydration.

wow you really had $750 and you spend them on a wheelset? why you still riding that shit ass bianchi frame if you got all that bread? could've sold that frame and put that money plus the $750 on a real track frame.

those wheels are sweet though... they probably feel like ass on that bianchi... what a waste

wow that sounds like a couple o' gees to me right there. if you got the money so fat you should do something great with it man! all the power to you

Ok since you asked and followed my previous analyzes you should know that I believe they feel like shit because: the rear triangle is not very responsive/stiff for a track bike, the fork is not very responsive/stiff either which might be great on the road but will get you killed on the track and when you kick them hard (while riding) you can feel them flex. Now that was my opinion for the regular bianchi pistas, to conclude somethings about the concepts I just think they're too heavy and priced too high and they are bad for the good name Bianchi.(why are they called "pista"=track if they don't handle like a track bike at all) Also most of the new Bianchis are made by ideal bike corp in Taiwan which does not really guarantee great craftsmanship (I've been learning TIG welding for a few semesters now and during that time encountered two Bianchi pistas that failed at the welds, one at the stays and the other at the bottom bracket shell). To add to that one would have to mention that they are made out of shitty no name Tubes which explains why they feel like shit. But thats just my opinion I don't really care if a lot of people ride them as starter bikes, no really if it gets you into cycling that is great. I only care if you load a shitty frame full with nice ass components you probably don't know shit about and then run around trying to impress other cyclists.

Look- a good bike does not make you a good cyclist but if you come with a frankenstein pista to the track you will get laughed at.

you are welcome chikN

It looks like Aliderkrasse is getting the regular Pistas confused with the Concepts. Concepts are a stiff bike and many strong racers use them. They were a good deal in the past but the prices have become so inflated. Also, the geometry for both the Pista and the Concept are spot on "track" geo. The only real issue with Concepts is that they are fragile if crashed, though this a problem with many current thin-walled aluminum track frames. The early 90's Cannondale track frames had a little thicker tubing and would make more sense for riding on the street.

good deal. i'm all about resale value. sell it for more than what i got it for new. of course, that's if i don't crash it.

Bianchi Pista ≠ Bianchi Pista Concept

Your opinion on the regular Pista = Speculation on the Concept

Cannondale welds fail? are you saying the made in the USA craftsmanship is the same as Taiwan? the weakest point for any and every aluminum frame is at the welds. which manufacturer has stronger welds?... that's another thread.

Aluminum, Carbon, Steel, Titanium, whatever.... each has its own pros and cons. i'm sure the debate for which is superior or inferior has been going on for decades. when it comes down to it, it only matters to what suits the rider. they might select a particular frame for cost, weight, style, material, purpose, name, manufacturer, history, reputation, practicality, or for no reason at all. whatever the reason, "To Each His Own."

back on thread topic. my 2002 Cannondale MTB Hybrid that i've been riding hard in the city since is somewhere around 20-22lbs. what i considered light years ago is now considered a tank. still holding up strong tho'.

Once again it sounds like you confused the Concept with the regular Pista, because at $650 retail the Concept is still one of the cheapest aluminum racing bikes out, and the weight is under 3lb... not heavy by anyone's standards.

You may want to work on your coherence.

weird, i haven't heard any complaints from people who actually ride Concepts. even those who UPgraded from Concepts still praise the entry level track frame.

in my opinion, the Leader geo is not better especially with the "design flaw" they are known for. i haven't ridden one, but i've read mixed reviews on two other forums. mostly negative. probably the reason why i didn't even consider a Leader when i was shopping for a frame. FTP's and EAI's are nice. $385 msrp vs. $579 msrp is not that much of a difference. $385 doesn't get you the fork, that's the price of the frame only. Leader had to change their design a couple times to make it more track specific. Concepts were track ready from the start, the geometry hasn't really changed since the beginning. plus, i would go 7005 alu over U6 alu.

one thing i definitely know about the Concept, it's fuckin' fun to ride hard in n out of SF.

ok you got a point there the thread derailed when chikn asked me about them darned bianchis and I went all out on my part.

but in a way I answered the question by saying:
the frame "feels" heavy I never referred to the actual weight of the bike just to the "feel" of it

that's what I think about the thread topic... it's all about the feel baby