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    • CommentAuthordl33d
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2009
     
    Greets,

    I bought a nice Brooks saddle for my wife, and she really digs it. And I don't want to buy another one so I've been thinking about ways to make it tougher for the opportunists out there to steal. Here are the ideas that I've heard -:

    1- The old chain trick.
    2- The old chain trick stuffed into a tube trick
    3- The set-the-seat-height then epoxy a 1/4 ball into the allen bolt trick

    Anything else? What sucks the least?

    D
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009 edited
     
    superglue + bb in both seatpost clamp bolt(s) and seatpost collar bolt.
    and put a black liquor store bag over your saddle when locking up
    (keep the bag under the rails while riding)

    a chain can easily be broken with a chain tool in under 10 seconds and is ugly as sin.
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009 edited
     
    this is may not be what you want to hear

    but don't lock up your bike with a brooks saddle unless you are prepared to pay the money for a new one when it is stolen

    what sucks the least is the standard light wire cable that can connect to your u-lock, made for locking up a saddle
    they would just need a tool to cut through the wire, but it's light and you don't have to deal with super glue in your nice bike parts or a clanky chain

    the black liquor store bag suggestion is probably a good one, but we all know you just want people to admire the brooks when it's locked up
    super glue would probably work best, but i would never want to deal with the hassle, i'd rather just buy a new bike part
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009
     
    The chain in a tube trick works great. The chain will get rusty over time and a chain tool won't be able to do anything with it because its basically welded closed. See e.g.:

    • CommentAuthorfixedpuch
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009
     
    but who wants a rusted chain on their bike? lets try n be a little classy here guys.....
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009 edited
     
    anyone with a hex key and chaintool can steal that saddle in under 30 seconds.

    and superglue is a hassle, but it is easily dissolved in about 20 minutes so it wont ruin your nice parts.
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009
     
    Nothing is fool proof.

    Stopping bike theft isn't about absolute "you can't steal thing under any circumstances" security.

    Its about making your bike less appealing to steal by making it more difficult to strip than the bike next to yours.

    A rusty chain tied to the frame and seat is going to be a pain the ass to get off, and it will take longer than 30 seconds to do. Chances are that at the same bike rack someone has a nicer seat on a quick release with nothing holding it down. As a crime of opportunity a bike thief will logically go with the easiest option and bypass the crappy seat locked up with a rusty chain and grab the easy to detach seat
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009 edited
     
    I can and have broken chains --even rusty ones-- in seconds. it's really not hard.

    the security game is increasing the amount of time for the thief to steal, as well. this is the point of glue/bb's - not that it's fool proof.

    a chain cannot take more than 30 seconds to break if they have a chaintool. superglue + bb will take at least 20 minutes if they have something sharp and acetone...without these, it would take an hour +. and the added bonus is it doesnt look ugly.
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    What's the process with the superglue?
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2009 edited
     
    well, the most important thing is to be 100% dialed in - make sure the saddle height and fore/oft are where you want them to be.

    - superglue first into bolt head.

    - insert ball bearing - try to find one that is either smaller or larger than the bolt head - if it's too snug in the bolt, it will take forever to come out. test this out before gluing. you want there to be enough room to insert something in between the bolt head ridge and the bb....or be able to pull out the bb with a pair of pliers.

    - firmly hold the ball bearing down for a few minutes.

    - put some superglue over the bb and let dry.

    removal:

    - acetone on a q-tip to remove the top layer of glue

    - use a sharpened spoke or something similar (or if your bb is larger and protrudes, use pliers) to pry out the bearing

    - acetone on a q-tip again to dissolve the glue inside the bolt head and the sharp object to carve the glue out - this step will take the longest - be sure to have plenty of q-tips and patience to get enough glue out to be able to insert a hex wrench. prepare to spend at least 20 mins per bolt.
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2009
     
    re: the rusted chain, one of those pins will come out in 30 seconds, it's not that hard

    re: the super glue, that is kind of ocd, i mean how much is your time worth?

    if i have to take an hour to change my saddle or modify something, i'd rather just view it as disposable and lose a saddle every 10 years or some time frame thereabout..
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2009
     
    that's why you should wait until you're 100% dialed in.
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2009
     
    i respect your commitment to keeping your saddle it's just not for everyone

    i'd rather use some cheap wire cable on an average saddle that can be cut with a hack saw in 10 seconds

    if someone wants the saddle they will get it

    they can just cut the lock and get your entire bike
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2009 edited
     
    yeah, obviously.

    I have my brooks team pro for about 8 years, so it's nice and worn in. it's perfect.

    I really dont want to use another saddle and certainly not a cheap one that's less comfortable.

    When I do long lockup, I also run a cable through the rear tire, frame, saddle rails, and post. Along with the bearings & glue and my u-lock, I have peace of mind. Sure, a professional thief with powertools can steal the entire bike, but the casual thief wont get close.
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    bionnaki,
    as a funny and ridiculous question:

    how long do you think it would take to hacksaw through a seatpost?

    it probably depends on the post, but i imagine many post would take 5-10 minutes
    • CommentAuthorbionnaki
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009 edited
     
    probably.
    but anyone in the know enough to spot a brooks (hidden under my liquor store bag) and want to steal it
    would also notice my seatpost which is probably worth more than my beat-to-hell brooks.

    saddle/seatpost theft is something I dont worry about anymore
    and I live in a major city where bike theft is a major problem.
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    Less with a pipe cutter
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009 edited
     
    i didn't think of the pipe cutter,

    how long would it take to cut up someones frame with that? and take the whole bike with a jacked up frame?

    i know it's ridiculous, i mean who the hell is going to hacksaw a seatpost, but we are at the point of super gluing bearings
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    if you had a large capacity pipe cutter with good cutting wheels i bet you could cut through a frame in about a minute, two tops. i guess it would fuck the frame but i suppose if you are carting around some expensive components it might be worth it to a thief.
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009 edited
     
    I'd cut a frame to get some sweet wood-grained aerospokes

    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    wood grain aerospokes or aerospokes that are on fire?
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009 edited
     
    "I'd cut a frame to get some sweet wood-grained aerospokes"

    LOL, i'm more interested to see how the bike would ride with a small piece of the frame cut out where the lock was

    i imagine you could make an easy get-a-way

    then when you got home and saw all the super glued parts you could just throw the whole thing off a roof top or something
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    on a more serious note:

    has anyone tried using a 7 mm binder bolt, i think they are rare but exist

    most portable allen wrench sets don't include a 7 mm wrench
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009
     
    interesting. i'd never thought of that. perhaps you should get into the 7mm seat binder business. if you sold one to all of anal retentive people on this thread for---say-$100 dollars-a-piece with some sweet guarantee like "our 7mm binders are so obscure even YOU won't be able to steal your seat or we'll send you a guaranteed vintage H-0-L-O-G-R-A-P-H-I-C C-H-A-R-I-Z-A-R-D card," i think you'd be able to make around $700.

    this is genius. i want in on the ground floor.
    • CommentAuthorwowzah
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2009 edited
     
    hahahhahaha, hell yeah, holographix, 700 bucks could buy a lifetime supply of super glue, could supper glue the Sh!t out of some bottom brackets
    • CommentAuthorbigshuse
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010
     
    aerospokes on a stock lager...am I going to be the first to point out how dumb this is
    • CommentAuthorveggie
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: bigshuseaerospokes on a stock lager...am I going to be the first to point out how dumb this is


    And the first to resurrect this thread for no reason other than to hate.
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    Member for:
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    Apparently he joined just so that he could point that out... In a thread which was last commented on a year and a half ago. Excellent work, sir.
    • CommentAuthorbigshuse
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010
     
    yeah it did...it was too irresistible
    • CommentAuthorbigshuse
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010
     
    but thankfully I found the post and I'm about to go to the store to buy some superglue for my new brooks
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010
     
    Id never superglue a ball bearing into the bolt on my seat post , screw that .You would ruin your post in an attempt to save your saddle ? I've known / seen many people use the chain trick , wrap it completely with a tube , and you should be fine . Odds are, if someone sees this, they will just move on to the next bike , and I don't think junkies have a chain breaker on hand .
    • CommentAuthorbigshuse
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010
     
    Well acetone dissolves superglue. I went to the superglue site to be sure. I can spend a half hour with a q-tip and a few beers if I really need to.
    • CommentAuthorStrubb
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2010 edited
     
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    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2010
     
    Do you superglue bb's in your crank arm bolts as well? I mean, those can be stolen as well. How about your chainring bolts ? stem bolt ? handlebar bolts ? do you locktite your pedals onto your cranks ?
  4.  
    Heh. If someone shows up to my bike with an allen set and a crank puller, they can have it.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2010
     
    glue on your replaceable track ends, Im stealing them .
  5.  
    Lock your bike and glue the key hole so no one will take it.
    • CommentAuthoreaglerock
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: suicide_doorsHeh. If someone shows up to my bike with an allen set and a crank puller, they can have it.

    That's why I use TA cranks: Normal 22mm crank pullers won't thread into the 23mm holes. And Campy C-Record self-extracting crankbolts take a 7mm Allen wrench, which is hard to find.

    Yay me!
    • CommentAuthorpeazweag
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2010
     
    I used to use a quick release seat post clamp,that way I could just take my seat with me when locked up
  6.  
    Uh hot glue and use hair dryer to remove? Or maybe a lighter..
  7.  
    Personally ,to prevent saddle theft, I wouldn't live,work,and shop in neighborhoods that are home to these types of scum .You can't stop a determined thief but you can take yourself out of the picture.
    • CommentAuthorncecchi
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: suicide_doorsHeh. If someone shows up to my bike with an allen set and a crank puller, they can have it.


    I ride around with those in my bag.
    Where do you park your bike?
  8.  
    Anywhere, man.
    But you don't need a crank puller for my Omniums.
    • CommentAuthorncecchi
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
     
    hmmm, i've been thinking about getting some omniums.

    for serious though, i flew to NOLA with one of my bikes and was riding around when i had a bottom bracket malfunction so I stopped in front of a bike shop and pulled everything off my bike while the owner just stared at me like WTF??? then i went in and asked if i could use BB Tool 02, they were like sure, but how fucking neurotic do you have to be to carry around a crank puller.
    pretty fuckin neurotic my friend, pretty neurotic.
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
     
    If you already carry a 15mm wrench around for axle nuts/pedals you might as well add a compact crank puller, right?
    • CommentAuthorokayplus
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: VelogardenPersonally ,to prevent saddle theft, I wouldn't live,work,and shop in neighborhoods that are home to these types of scum .You can't stop a determined thief but you can take yourself out of the picture.


    Wow, you know some of us don't have the ability to avoid the "scum". After looking up mohrsville, PA on a map, I imagine It's the kind of idyllic place that's intolerant of all types of "scum". Poor "scum", homeless "scum", maybe even black "scum", or gay "scum". Maybe I'm mis-reading your statment, but it seems to me that assuming all the "scum" are segregated to specific neighborhoods is a slippery slope of a generalization. Also, those of us who live in dense urban areas don't always have a choice of what neighborhoods we shop, work, or even live in. lately I've been using the BB glued in the hex bolt, as well as a planet bike seat leash as a visual deterrent. your saddle's only gotta be slightly harder to steal than the one next to it.
    • CommentAuthoreaglerock
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
     
    Posted By: ncecchibut how fucking neurotic do you have to be to carry around a crank puller.
    pretty fuckin neurotic my friend, pretty neurotic.

    Posted By: Aaron CIf you already carry a 15mm wrench around for axle nuts/pedals you might as well add a compact crank puller, right?

    Au contraire, Pierre. Some of us use cranksets that don't use 22mm pullers, such as the 23mm TA Pro V/Pro 3 or the pre-'80s 23.35mm Stronglights. If we're out and about in the world, the odds of finding a shop or a bike kitchen that has an appropriate crank puller is pretty low. If we should need to repair/adjust something, we're screwed unless we can find an old geezer shop with the puller, or unless we carry a puller ourselves. I have two TA crank pullers: A VAR 408.2 similar to the Park Aaron's posted above, and a Park CCP-1, which is a reversible 22/23mm with a handle, like the rest of the CCP series.

    The only manufacturer for either Stronglight or TA pullers is J.A. Stein, who no longer has them on his website. Those of us who need them better grab them and hoard them while we can. I bought a VAR puller recently and gave it to my local bike kitchen, so I'd always know where there's a backup; I'm keeping my eyes open for a Stronglight.
    • CommentAuthorncecchi
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
     
    dude, maybe you should try living in a major metro area like New Orleans, New York, Denver, LA, Seattle, etc...
    It's kinda hard to avoid the "scum"

    People who steal bikes suck, yes, but usually there is an underlying social condition which causes property crimes - did you ever consider that?
    • CommentAuthorpolitburo
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
     
    Well, that about finalizes my decision to move to Mohrsville,PA and start up my new crime syndicate devoted to stealing velogarden's bikes.
 



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