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    lookin into a new frame and trying to narrow down my choices based on other peoples reccomendations since i cant ride any of these and find out for myself, theyre all in pretty much the same price range with decent looks and geometry that i find acceptable, i just want to know what your opinions are. so my possibles are the bianchi super pista, dodici gara, felt tk2, marinoni pista, marinoni crono pista, masi special sprint, affinity kissena,and the masi coltello. im tryin to get as close to 4lbs as possible for frame, fork, and headset which shouldnt be an issue cause i'll be riding the smallest size available. im interested in things like stiffness, weld quality, etc. please share any input or opinions you have........ werd
    • CommentAuthorgreg
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    What kind of riding are you going to be doing on it and what is your budget?
    • CommentAuthorparkman14
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    All of those frames are $500+..
    I like steel for riding on streets, it's a lot more sturdy and comfortable. Aluminum is pretty harsh.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    I have a 55cm superpista still in original packaging I'm looking to get rid of.
    • CommentAuthorveggie
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    Posted By: parkman14Aluminum is pretty harsh.

    Call me weird, but I liked that feeling with my scat.
    its gonna be drome and street riding, honestly aluminum is harsh but all the alu framesets mentioned come with a carbon fork and with the addition of a carbon seatpost it probly wont even be noticable. my budget is about 800 for a frameset, and sorry rabbi 55cm is waaaaay too big for me, i ride a 45cm-49cm
    • CommentAuthorparkman14
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    You're a tiny dude! And yeah carbon definately makes a difference.
    haha, im 5'7" but ive got short legs and a long torso
    • CommentAuthorparkman14
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2010
    Seriously though, you can get some light steel for 800 bucks.... Alot of middle market alu frames can be pretty heavy I think so the weight gets about even around $600-$800 dollars depending on manufacturers I think, but I haven't researched or anything
    You could get an almost custom bob jackson for that kind of money, though to be honest I picked up a friend's Cannondale Capo the other day, thing was wicked light.
    I have Affinity's Lo Pro, and did a pursuit using a friend's Kissena and really liked the responsiveness of the frame.

    Alex Kissena (the designer) is an excellent racer as well. I would opt for the Kissena.
    • CommentAuthorpeazweag
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010
    I really don't like how much the top tube slopes backwards on the new Super Pista frames in the smaller sizes. Makes them look like a Langster, ack. Also, this is silly to say...but the new graphic logos and paint job are just bland and boring and look bad.

    That Dodici Gara is a stunning frame, but I believe is hard to find, especially in the USA. I don't particularly care for the fork on it however. For about $100 bucks more, I MUCH prefer the Dodici Special.

    I also really like the new LOOK 464 Track, which for that quality of frame, is a real good price new.

    The Dolan Track Champion is a nice looking frame in the same range. I also REALLY like the new Dolan Seta, but I'm sure that's out of the question.

    Also, quite rare in the USA, but the Principia Evolution Track has some interesting things about it.

    Besides for the fucked up headtube angle, my Guerciotti Scratch is about 2.3 lbs. Probably one of the lightest frames available, and this is in 58cm size. In a 47-49cm, it would be probably 1/2 that! Haha. The dealer I purchased it from might still have a 49cm (without the headtube problem of course). I could always ask for you.
    • CommentAuthorbdawe
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010
    You really narrowed it down! I like 'em all too, but what makes your pulse quicken, which invades your dreams at night? Get the one you can't stop thinking about. If you're not to that point, think about it some more.
    doesnt the scratch cost almost 2gs? the fork is the colombus carbon fork same as on the new vigorellis and a few other frames except its not drilled
    The Scratch new is $1,699.00. However, the dealer I purchased mine from decided to stop carrying Guerciotti and the few odd sized track frames (really larger and really small) he just could not move, so that is how I got deal on it. He was not aware of the headtube problem because it was still factory packaged, and it's not his job to do quality control. Anyway, last I heard from him, he had a 49cm, I believe, and was going to sell it for around 400-500, frame/fork, brand new, and it did not have the same problem mine has, luckily. :(

    Regarding the Dodici Gara fork, right? I was talking about the fork on this model of that frame. Not sure if this is the new or old model.
    Either way, for the cost, I think the Special is a much cooler frame and fork. It's just a shame they plaster it with stickers, and the Gara is so clean.
    Dude, Ryan, PM me his info.
    Eeep. Sorry if I got your hopes up, but I just heard back from him and....

    "I have no more of the SCRATCH frames and nothing suitable for your buddy. I’m sorry yet really appreciate you thinking of me."
    I was just going to send him links to bear porn anyway.
    No, but you can send those to Alessandro Guerciotti for still dragging me around now for FOUR months just to get something worked out with the defective frame they made! They said they would ship something out to me two weeks ago, and email me a confirmation...but of course never did, and now he's not reply to any emails.

    I guess one suggestion I can make on this thread is STAY AWAY FROM GUERCIOTTI BIKES. Their company and owner is a fucking nightmare to deal with and they don't stand behind the defective products they make.

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