General: New Campy vs. New Shimano

whose new track components do you think are better and why?

Ghibli may make me renounce my Italian heritage, but Shimano beats Campy on the track. Campy hasn't updated their track line since the C-Record era. Nobody uses Campy on the track unless they're trying to match an Italian frame. DA 7710 cranks are stiffer and newer technology, DA hubs and Campy both spin about as nice as eachother but the Campy ones are much more expensive, and that's about all that's relevant.

I'll take Campy on the road if given the choice, but I ride Shimano out of frugality...

Posted By: GoneWhyI wonder when Shimano will produce disc wheels to match their track or road product line? I raise my hat to the French like Mavic for their effort at beating the competition.

My 2cents.

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Posted By: the rabbi

Posted By: GoneWhyI wonder when Shimano will produce disc wheels to match their track or road product line? I raise my hat to the French like Mavic for their effort at beating the competition.

My 2cents.

ummmm

PRO by shimano

Out sourced composite disc, most likely by Mavic discjet from the early 80's.

Same goes with Lambo's and Toyota's! Both takes you from A to B at a different cost and style.

so, we all should be riding conversions then. is that what you're saying?

Half the people on this site do not use parts or frames for their intended purpose. So why should we start to care now.

I only ride shimano stuff for my geared bikes. I have had good experiences. I would never ride their track stuff because I have been to the velodrome all of two time. For street stuff phil hubs and bottom brackets and sugino cranks.

Exactly, Shimano never had disc wheels in their product line-up, it cost too much to develop the technology just like everything else in Japan but they make good copy's.

my mistake, Pro is a Shimano company. alexisfaster have RIGHT !!!

I don't know why, given the costs, anyone would use Campy or Dura-Ace parts for around town or delivery use. Do we have self-esteem problems? Granted, there is some semi-pricy gear that just makes sense.

Track pros generally have more discression about what equipment they use than just road professionals. For the track, you will see a lot of pros riding Sugino and Dura-ace. Not Campy. I think Campy is way prettier btw. There is nothing smoother than Dura-ace track hubs. Sugino and Dura-ace have excellent machining. But, that's because they don't come with seals. (You can install them if you want.)

Pro (Shimano) wheels are becoming accepted on the elite track scene, previously dominated by Mavic. (For sprints, Keirin, Kilos - short stuff anyway.) They are modern and have a good reputation.

except brifters??

Eaglerock, DA 7900 doesnt have exposed cables, the shifting and the brake cable are both routed along the bars. Also, the new Ultegra SL 6700 is the same way. The 2009 Shimano hoods feel like a Campy ergo and Sram made little shifter babies. I am still partial to 2009 Campagnolo hoods. I'm trying to decide between a Campy Centaur kit and a Sram Rival kit. I think I am leaning towards the Campagnolo simply because the hoods are crazy comfortable.

I think form a track stand point Campy and Shimano have their plusses. 170 camp pista crank arms flex, while the DA's are solid as a rock. Campy's barring goods cant be matched, they are smooth as silk and built to last as well as be replaced; while Shimano builds parts that are meant to be thrown away. Shimano has always been interested in building good parts that lasted for a while but couldn't be serviced. They are famous for making and advertising parts that are unattainable, since the late 70's-80's when the AERO race was going on Shimano had numerous group sets that never really existed, shops were sold one show bike but parts where never made available.

It is a fact that Shimano makes parts to be thrown away after failure, they do this so that if you take your Dura ace equipped bike to your local bike shop because you fell and messed up your rear mech you are forced to buy a new one thus there are no complaints against Shimano for a poorly repaired part.

Shimano did get indexed shifting down first but campy struggled in the 80's valuing look over function sharif star is a great example of that they are one of the most aesthetically pleasing hubs made but to be honest, they blew up... Though in the same era Shimano was already urging shops to throw away and replace parts, while campy made numerous replacement kits for their equipment, the campy shifters of that time are a wonderful example. The Syncro system they used had colored inserts that told you how many gears they accepted, long cage, short cage ECT. (http://www.cadre.org/bike_stuff/Campagnolo/Shifters/Syncro%20Inserts/moresyncro.jpg) Is an example of how hard campy works to at producing quality parts that if cared for corectly can last a life time.

I dont claim to be a Campy lover i enjoy their parts but frankly they are expensive as hell, but all quality is. My road bike is Campy Chorus equipped Cannondale Caad6 and for over 4 years i haven't had to service anything except for Cannondale's integrated BB.

As far as GONE's comment about campy parts on Concept bikes, think back to the and 80's with Colnago and Ferrari or for that matter the Bianchi C4. There was a time that bikes were growing leaps and bounds every year, indexed shifting the Clipless pedal, hell the helmet... Recently, though not as evident as then manufactures are doing the same thing. Cannondale introduced the oversized 1 1/8 head set and the overside BB hollow bottom bracket axles these are things they have been doing for years that the component companies are recently catching onto (granted recently may be 10-15 now).

The fact is that since the invention of the bike everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel and we cant knock campy or Shimano for the parts they make because they are largely the forerunners in the advancement of Cycling technology.

As far as modern track components a whole Dura ace Group set weighs in at roughly 1450 without chainring and a campy Pista set is around 1550 with Chainring so its a toss up in weight. as far as quality they both make outstanding products, i am still very cautious around octalink or anything splined as i have seen issues in the casting/machining of both BB and crankset splines. I will take a square taper above all on the track. Hubs, both are fantastic i have a set of wheels with DA low flange track hubs and lover them even recommend them though they do seam to need servicing more often than Campy hubs like i said earlier Campys barring goods cannot be matched. Campy has always made very good head sets as had Shimano and as far as a traditional Threaded headset i see no fault with DA or Campy but really you can buy a Tange for 20 bucks use it up and get a new one 5 times before you spend as much as for one Campy or DA head set, and tange makes a nice low stack hight headset.

I think for your money its worth Going Shimano on this one unless your a Campagnolo snob then campy is well worth the money. But as far as one company being superior to another i dont think you can say one is better; we are comparing two time proven brands that know what they are doing and have a wealth of cycling history behind them.