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    A friend of mine was just gifted a Benotto 11 Volte aluminum track frame, and he asked me to value it for him, since he's more interested in getting back to his home in Morocco than he is in the frame. I can't seem to find any info about this frame online. Does anyone here know what it's worth? The frame itself is brand new, with uncut fork and plastic inserts still stuck in the dropouts. It's quite pretty, and it's obviously a recent model, no more than three years old I would guess. The only thing I know about it is that it was made in Mexico, not Taiwan. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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    Can you post a pic please?, May help us out a little bit
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    Sounds fishy...

    I could be wrong, but I don't think Benotto has made a track bike in years. I've also never heard of an aluminum Benotto track frame. Benotto isn't a quality brand anymore, to say the least.

    James is right, we need photos or a serial number. Take a photo of the whole frame from the drive side, one of the underside of the bottom bracket shell, and one of the track ends.
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    the only thing that came up about the track frame is this, but no photos, guess they deleted them, just copy and paste, I know pain in ass, I dont know how to direct link it, telllllllll me how, haha

    http://homepage.mac.com/minorcordero/PhotoAlbum5.html
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    Ha. Good work, my friend. Too bad there is nothing there...
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    Posted By: suicide_doorsHa. Good work, my friend. Too bad there is nothing there...
    I know, the one thing that we need is gone, go figure right......
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    The only thing I can think of is that they were prototypes, or had the wrong stickers... Something.
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    well all we need is pics and serial numbers...

    but check this pic out, couldnt let this go, again just copy and paste it, haha....

    http://www.pedalconsumption.com/files/cannondale_track_frames_at_fixed_junkie.jpg ===== drooling....
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    Heh. I've never understood the appeal of those guys. I mean, yeah, Cannondale. But seriously...
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    I just like them, dont really know why, its like how i like my orbea, it isnt that special, but theres just something about the frames..
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    Oh, I don't mean to deride you for liking T-1000's, I just think it's funny that they are SOOO sought after. I think what bothers me about them is the huge tubes and teeny tiny fork.
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    Alright, Thanks for the replies guys. I can't take photos of it at the moment, it's locked up in his apt, but the I took note of the serial number, it is FDTJ00056

    I don't really know anything about Benotto's current incarnation, other than the fact that they are made in Mexico to lower quality standards than their italian counterparts. I did find that site with the missing pictures as well, but other than providing info that the frame came in red and black (the one my friend has is red) there's not much there.

    Another identifying characteristic I noticed is that the seat tube features a groove down the center that the rear wheel/tire would presumably spin thru. Hope this helps.
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    Posted By: suicide_doorsOh, I don't mean to deride you for liking T-1000's, I just think it's funny that they are SOOO sought after. I think what bothers me about them is the huge tubes and teeny tiny fork.
    The thing that draws me in is the slight top tube slope down, not pursuit, but it slopes a little, Ya know what I mean? my orbea does it slightly.
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    Posted By: AfreelunchFDTJ00056
    could not find anything with that code.



    Posted By: AfreelunchAnother identifying characteristic I noticed is that the seat tube features a groove down the center that the rear wheel/tire would presumably spin thru. Hope this helps.
    This makes me to believe that it is a genaric frame with benotto stickers on it, but I cant confirm it with out photos, and a definable serial number with photo, etc.
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    FDTJ00056............. Judging by that low number, it may be that only a few were produced for whatever reason. Who the hell knows?
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    Ok here is what you do Afreelunch, this what I did with my orbea. I couldnt really find any info on my orbea track frame, cause they didnt make to many of them.

    I emailed Orbea directly, with the info that I knew(which was little) and some photos, they emailed me back with the info on the frame, year, and that in fact they didnt produce very many of them. So I would email Benotto directly, with photos and as much info as you have, and hopefully they get back to you.
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    It's possible that it is a generic frame, however the logos are all painted on, or at least are proper decals. I did not think to try to identify the dropouts, but when I was looking the frame over in person I didn't notice any branding. I will try to get some pictures of the frame tomorrow, and I will throw them up here. A few other points, also printed on the frame was the phrase "Italian Technology" which appears to be their current tagline, it is displayed on their website. Beneath the name "11 Volte" I believe was printed "champione del monde"

    But like I said, pics will come tomorrow. Thanks again guys.
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    Ah good idea James. I will do that as well.
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    Posted By: suicide_doorsFDTJ00056............. Judging by that low number, it may be that only a few were produced for whatever reason. Who the hell knows?
    you are correct on the few of them were made thing, hoping that it is real!!!

    Posted By: Afreelunchalso printed on the frame was the phrase "Italian Technology" which appears to be their current tagline
    yea I just looked at that site, didnt seem to be much of a site though, probably the mexican thing was throwing me off, but it seems right.

    Just take some pics, and look for other brandings or serial numbers, etc.
    • CommentAuthorAfreelunch
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2009 edited
     
    On a related note, Check out the pricing on their carbon road model!
    now THAT is some perplexing shit.

    http://www.benotto.com/s_seccion29000/html/elemento.exr?Clave_Elemento=RRUBJK2520&N=0

    Also, check the serial number under "clave." Same format as the one I found on this track frame.
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    that is in peso's, here is exchange rate for that...

    Live rates at 2009.11.02 07:55:58 UTC
    32,219.60 MXN

    =

    2,432.573 USD
    Mexico Pesos United States Dollars
    1 MXN = 0.0754998 USD 1 USD = 13.2451 MXN
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    Ah much better. I didn't realize pesos were denoted by a dollar sign.
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    Well if it is the real thing, I would put it in the same price range of the bianchi concepts, would anybody else agree???

    I dont think the fact that few made will bring the price up alot more than the market value, my orbea sure didnt...Just my opinion..
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    Yeah, like I said, their bikes aren't so hot. That CF model has a very mediocre component group.
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    -------------- As far as price goes, I don't think anyone is going to spend Pista Concept money on a track frame from Mexico with NO information whatsoever. If you can get some real info and manufacturing details, maybe. But I can't imagine you'll get more than $250-$300 for it without some major revelations.
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    Posted By: suicide_doors-------------- As far as price goes, I don't think anyone is going to spend Pista Concept money on a track frame from Mexico with NO information whatsoever. If you can get some real info and manufacturing details, maybe. But I can't imagine you'll get more than $250-$300 for it without some major revelations.
    Good point... Id like to see what it looks like at least..

    Is he planning on selling it, or just curious?
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    He wants to sell it. According to him, the person who gave it to him said it was worth 300, but he asked me to check it out for him. I'm not expecting it to be a big spender, he just wants to know a fair asking price so he can get it sold. I'll put up some pics tomorrow so you guys can see what it looks like.
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    Yes please post it up, I may be interested in it if it is a real benotto. For that price or whatever my offer is,, haha...
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    Just know that the marketplace, not the forum, is the proper place to try to sell it here on Velospace.
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    Dude, don't you have a car and a mountain bike to build!?!?!

    By the way, what do you have in the parts bin that you want to get rid of?
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    I am building my car,I have a truck to sell now, and i already have the mountain bike built(going riding tommorow, hehe, and getting hydraulic brakes)

    what you looking for? I will have to look, pm me if you want.
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    Well post the damn thing already!

    I will pm at some point.
    • CommentAuthorsfbee
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009 edited
     
    On a loosely related note.... I'm tossing around the idea of selling my Benotto Modelo 1000 to put towards funding either a touring set up or a 29er. I know the real value is what the market will pay, but I'm wondering what you fine folks would deem as a reasonable value for the complete bike.

    The components are all in fantastic shape, but the frame has a number of scratches from the original owner. I'm debating just taking off the rust around the chips/scratches with steel wool and giving it a clear protective coating, or trying to match the current paint with some champagne touch up paint.
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
     
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    Posted By: sfbeeBenotto Modelo 1000
    my size to!!! haha, I just found one, that was sold already, for 550, with full campy group, etc. I would say 500-600, you should sell it to me, for a very good price, lol... its a beauty for sure.
    • CommentAuthorsfbee
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
     
    Anything's possible... :)

    Sucks that it's nowhere near my size, because I'd love to keep it for myself. I've been keeping it around for a friend who flies in to visit a few times a year, but I've been itching for a 29er lately. I'm a terrible friend.
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    You keep a bike which you can't ride just for a single person who is around once in a while? Seems like you are a pretty good friend. But dump that shit and get yourself something nice!
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    dump it to me, pm me a price, with shipping to 63028, haha. friend of mine has a benotto, I want one!!
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
     
    Posted By: cyclecrazyjamesdump it to me, pm me a price, with shipping to 63028, haha. friend of mine has a benotto, I want one!!


    my friend, i think you need to cool your bike acquiring jets!

    aren't you out of work?
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    Yea I am, but I have it under control. anything I buy bike wise is from money from bike stuff I have sold and or selling. I am set otherwise.
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
     
    Posted By: cyclecrazyjamesYea I am, but I have it under control. anything I buy bike wise is from money from bike stuff I have sold and or selling. I am set otherwise.


    : ) thats usually my modus operandi as well
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    You always have to have it setup, your bike fund, car fund(if you have one), then if you can keep them out of your everyday funds, then your set.

    But just cause Im out of work right now, doesnt mean that I dont bring in an income(aside from unemployment)
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    Posted By: cyclecrazyjames
    But just cause Im out of work right now, doesnt mean that I dont bring in an income(aside from unemployment)


    this is now how I picture cyclecrazyjames
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    Just crazy.
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    Ohhhhh no................. you caught me, nailed it right on the head!!! haha............ no I told you, I dont do that type of stuff,, haha
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    It's true, all he posts on Facebook are cute cat pictures and little haiku poems he writes about biking. Constantly. By the way, dude, I've been meaning to ask you to cut that shit out. Seriously.
    • CommentAuthoreaglerock
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
     
    Posted By: cyclecrazyjamesYea I am, but I have it under control. anything I buy bike wise is from money from bike stuff I have sold and or selling. I am set otherwise.

    "Your Honor, I can quit heroin any time I want to. That means that I don't have an addiction problem."
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    how many bikes do you own at the moment james? that should tell use if you have a problem.
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    Posted By: carbon fiber15how many bikes do you own at the moment james? that should tell use if you have a problem.
    as of right now, this is what I have:

    Gunnar(fully built)
    Orbea(torn down)
    Guerciotti(on ebay right now, Frameset only)
    Cannondale(for sale)
    Colnago(getting repainted)
    mens and womans schwinn surburbans(bought for $20)
    Schwinn racer 3spd(bought for $20)
    Schwinn varsity SS(was my mothers so free)

    So really i dont have much, and its only getting smaller, and actually at this very moment I only have 1 rideable bike, cause I tore down the guerciotti last night.
    • CommentAuthorAfreelunch
    • CommentTime2 days ago edited
     
    Alright. Took a leap year but I finally got the photos. Here we go.

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