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- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
So, my touring rig's frame is about to give way, the tt and dt are about to pull out of their lugs on the head tube. So I am in the market for a new bike.
Been looking at the Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Trek 520 because those are the two best options that I can EP from my shop.
Anyone have any other options to throw in my mix? I am going to set it up with mustache bars.
I want canti brake's and mounts for fenders and racks. All opinions appreciated. -
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
you could get your current frame repaired.
if i had the money i would be going for a Riv Sam Hillborne -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
I want to switch from my 7 speed barcon and freewheel set up to a 9 speed cassette set up. So a complete just makes sense. I really like the Rivs, 2 years ago my shop was a riv dealer, I wonder if I could weasel one... -
- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
The long haul trucker is a good option. It comes set up with a 9 speed cassette with barcons, cantis, and eyelets for everything. I ride a crosscheck with mustache bars, a rear rack, 9 speed, and fenders. Thats about 90% the same as a trucker with mustache bars. I've talked to a couple people who have truckers and they all seem to love them.
I dont know anything about new trek 520s. Based on a quick google search it seems to be really similar to the trucker but with v brakes, fenders, spd pedals, and a minimally upgraded drivetrain. It costs about $300 more. The price difference is probably less after your shop discount. I still like the trucker because I dont like v brakes for road, I like crank bros pedals, and I would want to pick my own fenders. I could see how it would be as good/better value if your eccentricities are different.
Are you trying to get rid of barcons or just the 7 speed? -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeOct 30th 2009
This frame you’re talking about Fixedpuch, is it the Novara Randonee you spoke of a while back? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Pete, it is the Novara that we talked about....its a sad day :( -
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Posted By: fixedpuchPete, it is the Novara that we talked about....its a sad day :(
You know dude REI is like ABSURDLY cool with their return policy. They take back the oldest and weirdest shit because it just didn't work anymore. I'd roll down there and see what they say. I know it sounds stupid but they really do pride themselves on their legendary return policy. You may roll outta there with a new bike. -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
+1 to Iron.... Take the bike to REI. The least they'll do is tell you no, but I bet they'll make it worth your while. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
I've tried this with two REI purchased products, both 10+ years old. One was a sleeping bag, the other a pair of shoes... They hooked me up with a new bag with (almost) no questions asked. The shoes, on the other hand, had lived too long to be returnable. From what I understand, REI's unspoken policy regarding really old stuff is to take things back only when the product is expected to last decades rather than years. I'd be willing to bet that they will at least consider helping you out with your bike. If the store doesn't, try calling customer service directly. Since the bike is a Novara, you shouldn't need a receipt, as long as your membership goes back to the time the bike was purchased. -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Hmm...ill give them a call. Thanks for the heads up. -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Since I don't have the receipt thats says I'm the original owner they wont do anything for me. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
I would try the store itself, for sure. Is your membership as old as the bike? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
not quite as old....Membership is about 3 years old and the bike is about 15ish -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Heck, worst thing that can happen is that they say no & you end up buying a new bike there right? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Ya, I'm pretty sure I'm just going to EP a LHT from my shop. I wish there was a lugged touring frame for around the same price as a LHT. -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
Well, there is always J.B. weld... -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeOct 31st 2009 edited
No, really, that frame isn’t any good anyways, right?
(Unless you want to get it repaired the correct way... Catastrophic frame failures are overrated! ) -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009 edited
FixedPuch,
What kind of money are you talking about spending if you were to find a lugged touring frame? What size? I've seen and looked at a few of the LHTs and they look to be pretty decent, and I'm sure you've looked at them plenty if they go through your shop. Nothing wrong with a TIG welded frame if it is done right. You can always send that Novara my way.. I'd be willing to take it off your hands.
As far as the JB Weld goes, that'll be a last ditch effort before you destroy it.. I've seen cast iron engine heads hold together with that stuff and I use it quite a bit.
Thanks Pete for correcting me. -
- CommentAuthoreaglerock
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
The LHT has the chainstay brazeons to hold extra spokes. I love that. -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
Ruffinit,
I think your question was really directed at fixedpuch since it is his frame we're talking about. This frame isn't mine, but perhaps in the spring I'll be purchasing my own Novara Randonee new as a complete bike. -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
Fixedpuch,
I am curious as to how this frame failure came about. Did it happen slowly as a crack or failing bonding or interior rust or something?
Or was it a result of something that the frame was never designed for, such as a resulting from a crash or from performing tricks or something? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
The frame was dropped while hanging from its rear wheel onto its front wheel causing the ht and dd/tt joints to crimp a little, so the bond is failing and starting to rust a little. It happened before I even started riding it. (People perform tricks on a touring bike?) -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
Posted By: fixedpuchPeople perform tricks on a touring bike?
Funny you should ask.
Back in the day I would ride wheelies for blocks on my Panasonic Touring Deluxe...
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/panasonic/07touringdeluxe.jpg -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 2nd 2009
Interesting.... -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 3rd 2009
so....no one knows of any "cheap" lugged touring frames? -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeNov 3rd 2009 edited
FP,
I asked a couple questions above..
Besides those, are you looking for strictly new or are you looking at used also? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 4th 2009
I am looking to drop around 700. I have been looking new and used nothing around town has come up in my size. -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2009
Hmmm.. I see that you ride a 58, too bad, I have a Specialized Expedition that is a 62.. You might keep an eye out for some of the older classics like the Expedition, Raliegh Kodiak and Alyeska, Schwinn Passage and Voyager, Bridgestone T700 and T500, Treks you already know, Cannondale ST models. Folks don't always know what they have and while these bring top dollar on places like eBay, keep on it.. I haven't found many of the newer bikes to be up to par with these, however a friend of mine just picked up a really nice Masi touring rig, but I don't know the model. If you're able to pony up that kind of money, you can probably have your pick of many of these used even on eBay.. As any of the guys will tell you keep your eyes on Craigs List.
I'm making the assumption that you're riding a 58 comfortably on a road bike; which means you could probably ride a 60 in a touring frame, but you should already know what your fit is. Some of the touring bikes like the Expedition have a higher BB than say my T700, so you'll have to watch that and ask for the stand-over height if you're getting one without touching it first. -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2009
Ya, I have been scouring CL, haven't seen anything. :( -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeNov 6th 2009
What size are you looking for? -
- CommentAuthorfixedpuch
- CommentTimeNov 6th 2009
a 56-58 with a 31.5 or 32 inch stand over
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