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- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
so thanks to some nifty scheduling no classes this Friday for me. im gonna take the extra time to haul my bikes and girlfriend from Stockton to San Jose to give
the Hellyer Park Velodrome a try. Since this is my first time to ride a velodrome i was hoping to get some advice from the more experienced riders on here.
Ive got a helmet, i made sure the weather is clear and checked the parks calendar to make sure they were having their beginner riding session on this particular saturday. so some random ?'s
are clippless pedals required?
Gear ratios, i have a 51/18 and a 46/18, i would like to replace the 46/18 with something else what would you recommend for the velodrome? 46/16?
tools? just bring the whole tool kit?
clothes? down in LA i know the velodrome at CSDH requires certain clothes anyone have some insight on Hellyer?
anything else i should probly know so i dont make a fool of myself? -
- CommentAuthorquidose
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
I don't know how weak you are, but I wouldn't go higher than a 14t cog if you're gonna keep the 46t chainring. -
- CommentAuthordeermatt
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
none of the combo's you suggested will be nearly enough. Try 51/16 or 51/15 -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
ok so i got one bike set up at 46/13 took it for a ride and im deff gonna have to build up to it a little bit. I calculated that and should actually be a little faster than 51/15. and yea 46/13 is fast! i think im gonna wait till its light out to try it any more -
- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
Thats my home track. Clipless is not rquired, clips and straps are fine. Bring whatever tools you might need. I cant imagine that being much. If your bike is well tuned you shouldnt expect to need to do anything to it once you get there. I guess you can just throw your kit in the trunk to be safe. Beginner sessions are not very fast. With 46/13 you are going to be one of the highest geared beginners on the track. It wouldnt surprise me if you could get away with 46/15. I dont know if they enforce clothing restrictions for beginners. You should really be in bike specific clothing (jersey/bike shorts) because its more comfortable and safer. You dont want someone who doesnt know how to ride getting there handlebars getting all up in your baggy t shirt. Bring food, fainting is uncool. Bring a good attitude. Stretch. -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
Stockton rocks !!! I've been to the Hellyer Park Velodrome, nice place... LOL -
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: alexbet813ok so i got one bike set up at 46/13 took it for a ride and im deff gonna have to build up to it a little bit. I calculated that and should actually be a little faster than 51/15. and yea 46/13 is fast! i think im gonna wait till its light out to try it any more
honestly 46/13 is probably going too high for you. i'm definitely no trackhound but i try to get when i can, so you don't have to listen to me, but unless you are really ripped you'll have more fun in a gearing that sets you somewhere around 85gi, not the 93gi 46/13 will give you.
doing something you've never done before while running a big gear is a good way to bonk. that being said if you are just going up for structured training you'll probably be fine. i stand by my suggestion though.
my favorite gear to race in is 49/15. i honestly think that 51/16 is your best bet by far... -
- CommentAuthorterrible_one49
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
I personally ride a 49/14 on and off the track, and 49/17 for my around-town gear.
Get some padded bike shorts, along with a simple basic jersey. I prefer just black shorts and a black jersey, as I hate all the logo's and shit.
TRACK DROP BARS. You cannot ride a track without them. No risers. Haha.
Take off your brake and lever, and all extra shit on your bike that is not needed (water bottle cages, bells, reflectors, lights, etc)
Helmet. Maybe gloves.
I prefer clipless pedals, but straps are pretty norm also. -
- CommentAuthorterrible_one49
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Since I see you have clipless pedals on your KHS, I would suggest riding those. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
thanks for everything guys maybe ill see some ppl from the forum there.
im bringing the KHS at 46/13 (ill just be a bad ass lol)
the O8 at 51/18 (in case im killing myself on khs)
under armor shirt padded shorts and just some running shorts
chewy bars
and a tool box with allen wrenches adjustable wrench ect.
and will bull horns be ok? -
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: alexbet813and will bull horns be ok?
nope. -
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: terrible_one49DROP BARS. You cannot ride a track without them
with a few exceptions for aerobars... -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
well shit looks like the O8 wont get any time on the track unless i come up on some bars today anybody in stockton have some for super cheap? -
- CommentAuthorthe rabbi
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
and you don't need track drops. just drops.
on a park like hellyer, that gear is gonna be steep.
46/15 should be pretty good for a begining group. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
alright i understand that 46/13 will be a little steep for me but i was riding it today and it is so fast! im addicted -
- CommentAuthorthe rabbi
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: alexbet813alright i understand that 46/13 will be a little steep for me but i was riding it today and it is so fast! im addicted
there's no hope if you don't listen. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
i knew you would say that, i have to get my hands on a lock ring wrench. i do sincerely plan to move back to something a lower like the 15t that i have but i went out and already got the 13t so im just gonna murder myself this weekend on that and wear out the novelty of its speed and move to something practical so dont worry your advice is not falling on deaf ears. -
- CommentAuthoroctopus magic
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: alexbet813i knew you would say that, i have to get my hands on a lock ring wrench. i do sincerely plan to move back to something a lower like the 15t that i have but i went out and already got the 13t so im just gonna murder myself this weekend on that and wear out the novelty of its speed and move to something practical so dont worry your advice is not falling on deaf ears.
Just make sure you stay out of the sprinter's lane and hang on the outside, because you gonna get lapped. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
yea i figured that (seeing as idk what that means besides lapped) hence why im going during the time set aside for beginners, maybe gain some knowledge see how i feel about riding on a track and if i'd like to do it more.
side note i am 6'1" and weigh 200lbs and have been rowing for a few years so i dont fit the normal fixie kid profile build wise. i feel that i am able to control this ratio i might be wrong but if i can ride it on the street shouldn't i be able to ride it on the track? -
- CommentAuthorthe rabbi
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009 edited
i can ride a 53-12 on the street. that doesn't mean i can handle a 53-12. around the block a few times or on open-flat road would be fun, but trying to stop or even slow down would be just stupid. not to mention try to judge that stop sign at the bottom of the hill. i see so many kids riding way too high of a gear ratio on the street without a brake. some even on platforms! kids are afraid to spin!Said by By: Lance Armstrongspinners can sprint, but sprinters can't spin
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- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: alexbet813yea i figured that (seeing as idk what that means besides lapped) hence why im going during the time set aside for beginners, maybe gain some knowledge see how i feel about riding on a track and if i'd like to do it more.
side note i am 6'1" and weigh 200lbs and have been rowing for a few years so i dont fit the normal fixie kid profile build wise. i feel that i am able to control this ratio i might be wrong but if i can ride it on the street shouldn't i be able to ride it on the track?
You might notice that most track riders dont have a "fixie kid build".
http://thisismax.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hoy2803_468x674.jpg -
- CommentAuthorLyKqiD
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
sorry for the joke recycling
Also, Dude, fixie is not the preferred nomenclature. Fixed-Gear, please. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009 edited
alright im digging myself a bigger hole with each post thanks specially wes m (edit:not to say other ppl werent helpful thanks terrible one too). for the help i'm done ill let you know how it goes -
- CommentAuthorGOBSTOPTODROP
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Posted By: Aaron C
Posted By: alexbet813and will bull horns be ok?
nope.
so wait, would nitto rb-021's be ok? -
- CommentAuthorterrible_one49
- CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
Posted By: GOBSTOPTODROPnitto rb-021
Not on most tracks for certain races. Most of the time, drops are required. Certain races, you can use pursuit/ time trial aero bars.
I suggest TRACK drops, not ROAD. I find that with road drops, when sprinting, my wrists hit the top of the bars. Track drops are bent more in that area, so thats not a problem.
And 46/13 will be fine. I ride a 49/14 and that is pretty much identical. It's a hair slow to start, but with light wheels on, it's perfect. -
- CommentAuthorSkidMark
- CommentTimeOct 9th 2009 edited
If you think you can keep up with experienced track riders while pedaling at a lower cadence in a taller gear ratio than what they are running then go for it.
Don't be surprised when someone passes you like you are walking, their legs spinning like mad... -
- CommentAuthorkilling time
- CommentTimeOct 10th 2009
i think i saw you at the track today, you had egg beaters right? -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 11th 2009
yellow khs, and the youngest person there, also the only person not riding with full cycling gear and an old skate helmet? lol yea i thought it went pretty well, it wasn't that bad with the high gear ratio, it really didnt matter actually, most of the morning we worked on drafting and exchanges, i think the hardest part was learning to hold a line seeing as im not really used to riding with a lot of other ppl -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeOct 11th 2009
Sounds like a great experience... -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeOct 11th 2009
it was very enjoyable i strongly recommend it to everyone, its probably like 15 miles of riding mostly drafting and drills, the experienced riders ride along side you and give you tips, a great learning experience i'd do it often if i didn't live 85 miles away and have class everyday
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