General: Pursuit Frame and Double Straps

I wont tell you to buy a break but I will tell you to buy a brake. haha, I crack myself up. But seriously though that was a joke, back to the point...

You arent going to find many people who ride with straps that are going to disagree with a) double straps feel more secure and comfortable b) toshi straps are among the best. They are going to be better than any single strap and equal to if not better than any double strap out there. They are worth the price in the same way that phil hubs, thomson seatposts, etc are worth the price. They work great and outlast cheaper components.

I doubt your problem is straps though. Its more likely to be the way your weight is distributed on your new frame. New straps might help but getting used to your new frame will help more.

just skid in the grass till you get used to it.

I have a low pro and doubles and can skid just fine.

It's not the fact that you don't have doubles that you can't skid (though they do provide a much more complete connection over singles). Coming from your old frame, the affinity cockpit is super short. Does your knee hit the bars when you try to skid? It's all about just riding the bike and getting used to the different geometry. Pretty soon you'll know it as the norm and you'll be fine.
I will say that it's a bit more difficult to do super leaned forward legs straight style skids with the low pro.

Maybe ditching the risers will make it easier to skid as well? (bullhorns!)

Posted By: LuvCumsInSpurtsalong with a 650c front to give it that whole leaning forward, aggressive look.

you already have or are going to put on a 650c? why?

Posted By: LuvCumsInSpurtsI want to for two reasons:

1. To drop the front end to give it a more aggressive look.

2. I've never ridden extensively on a 650c front, and I'd like to try it. I don't trick or anything other than the occasional no-handed leg-over-bar skid.

Why? Is there an issue with having a 650c?

Why would you put a 650c on a frame that was designed for a 700?
Not only will it give your bike an unnatural geometry (I couldn't imagine riding mine with a 650c.. it wouldn't be good), but do you think that doing that will make it any easier to skid? Not a chance. Things will be much more difficult for you.
The frame is already one of the most "aggressive" ones out there. If you want it to look aggressive, why don't you mount spikes and rocket launchers all over it?
But in all honesty, leave the wheel size alone.
The only thing that you should probably consider is getting yourself some bullhorns to make it easier to get your weight forward.

I agree with Aaron and Ryan, btw. You should really think twice before making a change like that. At least try someone else's 650c first. It really will be hard to ride, especially considering your apparent height (your seat position relative to your top tube).

Bullhorns? a real man would have a pair of deep drops and a 650c.
Better yet why not a textima gdr fork...

I would think a pursuit frame would be easier to skid on than a normal frame. The lower handlebars would put more of your weight on the front wheel, and less weight on the back wheel means that it should have less traction. My best guess is that you it a couple sizes bigger than normal because it's a pursuit frame and feels smaller, and you're having a harder time skidding because of the longer top tube, which actually puts more of your weight over the back tire??

I'd prefer you to buy a front brake for your goofy ass, since you have to ask the internet how to slow down.

I just scored a pair of used Toshi's in great condition + MKS RX-1's for seventy bucks!

If you really want a 650 I'll sell you one.

Posted By: LuvCumsInSpurtsI just scored a pair of used Toshi's in great condition + MKS RX-1's for seventy bucks!

no screen shot, didnt happen!

So you have loose ball bearing quilled track pedals and "dope toshis" for skidding.

That's like using a box of quarters as a door stop.

Posted By: octopus magicSo you have loose ball bearing quilled track pedals and "dope toshis" for skidding.

That's like using a box of quarters as a door stop.

Seems to me that something that allows you to pedal at 40mph without your feet moving might work equally well for keeping them where they belong whilst skidding but WTF do I know...

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If you put a 650 wheel on the front you will lower the front end 1" and the bottom bracket will be lower too, and the angles will steepen. There will also be a big ugly gap above the tire at the fork crown. If you used a 650 fork and a 650 wheel that would drop the front end 2", and of course lower the bottom bracket and steepen the angles dramatically. The bike will be squirrelly as fuck and probably want to throw you, that is if you haven't struck a pedal and you are already on your ass.

Posted By: LyKqiDits like those harry potter jelly beans, everyone is having a good time then... BAM, puke bean.

i laughed out loud!

Posted By: LyKqiD

Yeah, but you will look super aggressive the whole time. Besides peddle strike is fun, its like those harry potter jelly beans, everyone is having a good time then... BAM, puke bean.

hahaha I remember some kid on the playground in elementary school giving me a puke bean telling me it was the watermelon one and then me throwing up in front of everyone because of how awful it was.

"I don't get it....
Submitted by SkidMark on 10/11/2009.

WTF is wrong with this bike? It just looks like it's made for fixed gear freestyle, and it's got some decent parts on it!

I bet half the style police have crap faux track conversions ro otherwise trendy lame crap.

At least this kid built his bike to ride the way he want to ride it, with no regard to what is cool or trendy, and if the bike is cool it's just by default.

Jealous bitches, methinks..."

I thought we all got to build our bikes up however we wanted and not get criticized.

Posted By: SkidMark"I thought we all got to build our bikes up however we wanted and not get criticized."

I NEVER alluded to that.

My point is that Berd's trick bike is set up as a trick bike, therefore there isn't much to criticize. I'm not a big fan of stickering the shit out of bikes, but if you took the stickers off, his bike would be murdered out so even cooler.

Without getting into Affinity's insistence that their bike is not a pursuit frame, it is for all intents and purposes a pursuit frame, and pursuit frames have pusuit bars. Bike set up for the street often end up with riser bars (which I personally don't like) but they make sense for what people use them for. Nobody needs an 18" drop to their hooks, and even the most limber couldn't really use them, so drops on a pursuit frame are fucking stupid.

Uhh, you do realize that the frame is just a regular geometry track frame with a long seat post so they could have a sloping down top tube, right? All you're doing with an Affinity is showing less seat post.

Uh, you do realize that their medium frame has a tiny little 4" head tube, so therefore is essentially the same profile as a pursuit frame, right?

The geometry they refer to are the head tube and seat tube angles, which are more typical for a track bike. Pursuit bikes tend to have steeper angles.

It certainly did.

I say put a 650 on. If it works for you, great, if it doesn't, then get rid of it. I say what's the harm in trying a new thing? Get the Nitto RBs. If they work, then more power to ya. I never liked bullhorns too much, but they are pretty comfy for longer rides. as for the Toshis, never used them, but they are hyped up pretty well, and I've never heard bad things about them. The only issue I see is that the straps I've come in contact wit wear out pretty fast, from the cheap OEM nylon ones to whatever leather ones. It seems to me that having a leather part on a bike is maybe not the best idea, especially one put under so much stress. If someone has experienced otherwise, prove me wrong. If you are only riding for fun, and don't commute in all weather, then I bet they will work fine.

As for the sour words on ths forum, I feel bad that when people ask a legitimate question, asking for opinions/advice and what not, we need to shoot them down. There are times when it is necessary (that Anchor with the dual pink Aerospokes comes to mind) but for the most part our community seems to go through good days and bad, where one question is met with concise answers and sound advice, where others are met with ridicule and sarcasm. Let's all just ride, do whatever stupid shit we want to our bikes (minus the Anchor) ride safe, help our brothers out, wear helmets, use brakes, be nice to cops, support our LBS, and generally be good people.

Buying a 650 wheel (and) fork is a fairly big investment to find out it doesn't work, and you might get hurt in the process. I offer advice from the standpoint of experience and a fair amount of knowledge of bicycle frame geometry. Sorry if the advice is not sugar-coated enough for you not to get a sour taste in your mouth. It's like espresso compared to a sTarbucks Latte.