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- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
Hey all,
So I'm putting together a single speed 29er for winter commuting this year and I was thinking about putting studded tires on as we tend to get some icy roads in Denver. Thing is we don't really get them all the time and I'd like to be able to ride this bike comfortably on slush or just wet roads without changing out tires constantly. Would it make sense to get a tire with less studs? How does a 110 stud tire compare to say a 290 stud tire in terms or stability on ice or conversely riding on solid pavement? I've always just ridden with knobbies in the winter but I've never felt terribly secure riding over patches of black ice coming home at 11pm on a Friday night. I've got a feeling studded tires will help a bit.
Any experience shared is greatly appreciated. A google search (and a stop at the LBS) yielded waaaay too many conflicting answers. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
Dude, it's all conflict with studs.
If you're riding on plowed roads, I doubt you're going to see any benefit to uberstuds, not to mention the extra rolling resistance and weight they add. I've never heard anyone recommend more than 200 studs to a street rider. 200+ are really for super unploughed/unkempt snow trails.
There's a pretty handy article on PWC, in case you didn't already turn it up in your Google search. -
- CommentAuthorlatron
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009 edited
I use 26" 106-stud Nokian Hakkapeliittas for Boston, which has no shortage of icy, rutted roads come winter. They're everything I need, and are decent to ride on when you spot some actual pavement. BTW, I lived in Denver for a decade and rode year-round, nary a studded tire in sight. The snow's lighter and burns off (if you can say that) faster than out east. So 200 studs seems like overkill. -
- CommentAuthormmediaman
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
i have 200 studs on the front tire and over 350 on the back. but i have them on a seperate 26" wheelset for when the snowpack freezes up in duluth. If you ride the studs on pavement they will dispear fast. the amount of studs doesn't really matter as it does with the pattern. for a front wheel you can scatter them, but for a back putting them in rows to create a paddle effect seems to be effective up here. if you have an old pair of knobbies or just thick tires its (relatively) easy to install your own studs. -
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
I've got the Hakkapelittas, too. They're fantastic. I ride a mountain bike during the winter and they take a dangerous impossibility and make is sort of normal.
Watch for freezing brakes and derailleurs, though! -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009 edited
Aaaaahh... you guys are gonna make me go count the studs in the tires.. Maybe tonight.
I lived up on the Sound in Washington state which gives you the yearly mix anywhere from black ice, ice, snow to a mix of it all. Riding with studded tires made my 13 mile commute go from truely harrowing to downright manageable. I believe I'm running IRC Blizzards which may be out of production, but I know that they are not heavily studded. I rode them all winter and didn't find that riding them on days when it was just pavement/sand proved to be any great challenge either as some folks will attest to. Theres a similar conflict with cages and studded tires which I'm also an advocate of. It's all in being aware of what you're doing and your surroundings. As and experienced cyclist, I don't think you'll have any problems riding a studded bike through the winter.
I used to ride all winter long also when I lived in Colo. Spgs (before studs), so I think that studded tires will make it very nice riding. I don't think you'll need the heavily studded tires. -
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
Awesome advice guys much appreciated. I'm gonna go with the lower stud count for sure. Now if I can just scrape together bucks for the bike :) -
- CommentAuthorstinky pete
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
I once created some homemade studded tires from two Specialized ground control 2.2” using machine screws & silicone window sealer. They worked extremely well on frozen lakes, but they were just stupid heavy! My advice is to be sure that you will get your money’s worth out of any tires you buy… -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
Well I just went out and counted the tires. They are IRC Blizzards which are 26" and they only have 56 studs per tire, so if you get more than that you'll be golden. I'll check around the bike library and see what I can find.. we don't send them out with the studs and we'll get spares in sometimes.
Iron, I understand the desire for the 29er, but why not find a good cyclo-cross bike and throw some 700x40 studded tires on it? Probably be much cheaper and they'll have cantilevers on it too.. -
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
Posted By: RuffinitWell I just went out and counted the tires. They are IRC Blizzards which are 26" and they only have 56 studs per tire, so if you get more than that you'll be golden. I'll check around the bike library and see what I can find.. we don't send them out with the studs and we'll get spares in sometimes.
Iron, I understand the desire for the 29er, but why not find a good cyclo-cross bike and throw some 700x40 studded tires on it? Probably be much cheaper and they'll have cantilevers on it too..
Yah know I'm actually leaning in that direction. I thought a 29er would be kinda fun but the entry price, even used, is too much. -
- CommentAuthorgreg
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
700x40 studs? sounds like a blast -
- CommentAuthorgreg
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
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- CommentAuthorwes m.
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
Posted By: iron jaiden
Posted By: RuffinitWell I just went out and counted the tires. They are IRC Blizzards which are 26" and they only have 56 studs per tire, so if you get more than that you'll be golden. I'll check around the bike library and see what I can find.. we don't send them out with the studs and we'll get spares in sometimes.
Iron, I understand the desire for the 29er, but why not find a good cyclo-cross bike and throw some 700x40 studded tires on it? Probably be much cheaper and they'll have cantilevers on it too..
Yah know I'm actually leaning in that direction. I thought a 29er would be kinda fun but the entry price, even used, is too much.
Really? Have you been looking at used stuff? I got my monocog for $330 with the discs and all (no pedals). Its hard for me to imagine a used cross bike for significantly less than that. Maybe a used light touring bike with big clearance would do the trick and be on the super cheap side. -
- CommentAuthorupthemaiden
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
If you're worried about how well they'll last on pavement, find some tires with carbide studs. They're supposed to last a ton longer than normal steel studs. They cost more but you'll probably get a couple seasons out of them instead of just one season of the regular steel ones, depending on how much pavement they see. -
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
By the way, this site is where I got my information when I started shopping around for studded tires. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 6th 2009
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- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeOct 7th 2009
See what you get for not following links?
Repeating what others said. That's what. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 8th 2009
Since you're here, and you looooove Cannondales, what is this? (Please follow the link, Joshua.) -
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
That is pornography.
No, wait, wrong window.
I don't know! That's from after the period of Cannondales I know about. -
- CommentAuthorsuicide_doors
- CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
Ha. He said the previous owner called it a prototype. It's a 2000 frame. I dunno. I need a new road frame... -
- CommentAuthorRuffinit
- CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
Yeah, I'm out of that period too, but Cannondale has been making custom frames for years and I believe that this is one of them. It would have been a bit pricey too. Obviously it's a road frame, but I think you'll want to get specific measurements from the owner because you could change the TT length and so forth when you ordered one.
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