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    • CommentAuthorpsilos
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
     
    I am into BMX but i am building a fixed gear Track Bike and i am a little bit confused on which frameset shall i choose.

    I have 3 options

    1. FBM Sword 59cm + FBM Sword Forks(should be in production in 1 month)

    2. Cinelli Vigorelli XL (58cm)

    3. Gorilla Oversized TIG (Zengang) 60cm

    Also another question i have is that The cinelli Vigorelli frameset is 7075-t6 aluminum compared to the other 2 options FBM and Gorilla which have Cromo Tubeset. How is 7075-t6 strength wise to cromo? Also the Gorilla and the cinelli use BSA BB. Is possible to install a Profile Racing crankset in this BB? FBM uses Euro BB which is compatible
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    i assume your going to use the bike for trick riding so i'd stay away from anything made of aluminum, it is way to prone to sudden failure. i'm not too sure about the gorilla, it kinda looks like a re-branded version of a tommassini which arent very nice, in my opinion. the sword seems burly enough to handle most of the aggro stuff. have you looked at the "cutter" by volume bikes? its made with bmx tubing and has reinforced welds. it is also fairly cheaper than the sword.
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    Sword. Steel is real, and plus, you'd be repping FBM. I really like the idea of BMX manufacturers making fixie frames. About the cranks, I guess you'd just have to find a type of bottom bracket that fits the Profile spindle. That's 19mm if I remember correctly, and I have been wondering this myself, as I want to put Profiles on my bike as well. Not too sure how many bbs there are that would fit a British bb, but the Sword would deff make it very easy.
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    That Gorilla frame is NOTHING like a Tommassini (their fixed frame Sinsiti, I assume you are comparing too, which is a very nice frame.) The Gorilla frame looks more like a Bare Knuckle, and might possibly be! In which, Bare Knuckle frames are really nice and I would highly suggest!

    The FBM Sword is a nice frame, however abit pricey for a very simple, non-lugged cromoly frame. If they are able to keep the same price, but include the fork...I would be more tempted to get one.

    Stay away from the Cinelli. It's a light aluminum track frame and would not be suitable for the riding you want to do.

    I'm sure the Volume would be fine, however the fork is fucking ugly and I think has too much rake (for doing bar spins I guess, they say). The fork also looks weak. I hate how the frame is plastered with ugly decals that you cannot remove. Also, I would stay away from integrated headsets, because if you fuck it up...you are fucking up the inside of the frame, and it cannot be replaced like cups could be of a good headset like Chris King.

    Regarding cranks...I've always thought it was a dumb idea to run BMX cranks on a track bike. Just get a real 165mm track crank like Sugino 75's.
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    http://www.hubjub.co.uk

    These guys sell both the Gorilla frame and the Bare Knuckle frame. From a visual inpection of their pictures of both frames...they look identical, only the BK is 100 euros more!

    Maybe someone could find out a difference between the two, or if it's just the name.
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2008 edited
     
    i didnt bother looking for geo specs on the gorilla (i wouldn't be surprised if they are more relaxed) but just by looking at it the gorilla has cable stops for a rear brake -which the bk does not. the bareknuckle also has an integrated st binder, the gorilla uses a collar.

    both made in italy, maybe by the same guys, you decide.
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2008
     
    i lied thats only true if you buy the complete:
    http://www.gorillabicycles.com/web/en/chewy/

    the frameset has no guides but still seems to lack a binder:
    http://www.gorillabicycles.com/web/en/oversizedtig/
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    oh, hey, check this link, the gorillas are made by tomassini. http://www.gorillabicycles.com/web/en/classiclugged/
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    well the lugged one are anyway. i wouldnt be suprised if the tig ones are as well. also if they look like the bare knuckle maybe its because they both use a dedacci fork crown and legs? other than that i dont see a resemblance.
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    Volume Cutter FTW

    i think the cutter has a new fork in production so you should wait

    barspins all day hehe
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    The Volume cutter has been discontinued and has been replaced by a new model. One model still has this ugly fork with too much rake, but the new model has a more beefy fork that looks more like a BMX fork. They are also putting BMX style bars on the bike as well. Here is some pictures- http://www.volumebikes.com/uploaded_images/fixed-gallery-739957.jpg

    Personally, I think the bike looks confused, and I would not trust riding it. I also would not ride cranks on a fixed gear that don't have a 5 bolt pattern chainring. Having the chainring bolt on with only one small bolt on the back of the crank arm, A LOT of pressure is put onto that one bolt and it's likely to either warp the sprocket faster, or even fail.


    And the Bare Knuckle frame and Gorilla frame, I think, are quite similar. Same dropouts (track-ends), same rear brake bridge, same bottom bracket shell, same fork, and the Gorilla does indeed has the integrated seat clamp on the Hattara frame.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2008
     
    Posted By: terrible_one49I also would not ride cranks on a fixed gear that don't have a 5 bolt pattern chainring. Having the chainring bolt on with only one small bolt on the back of the crank arm, A LOT of pressure is put onto that one bolt and it's likely to either warp the sprocket faster, or even fail.
    ride a tree lite sprocket made for 19mm spindles.

    and also, all the bb's and standard english thread/euro bb.

    and the fbm's cost just as much as a bmx frame, i don't get the big deal on the price. handmade in america. would you really want to ride a lugged frame for tricks? that fbm is beefy and strong as shit, just like their bmx frames.
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    Posted By: the rabbi
    Posted By: terrible_one49I also would not ride cranks on a fixed gear that don't have a 5 bolt pattern chainring. Having the chainring bolt on with only one small bolt on the back of the crank arm, A LOT of pressure is put onto that one bolt and it's likely to either warp the sprocket faster, or even fail.
    ride a tree lite sprocket made for 19mm spindles.

    and also, all the bb's and standard english thread/euro bb.

    and the fbm's cost just as much as a bmx frame, i don't get the big deal on the price. handmade in america. would you really want to ride a lugged frame for tricks? that fbm is beefy and strong as shit, just like their bmx frames.


    FBM BMX frames are about $299. The Sword track frame is nearly TWICE that, at around $550.

    Here is my beef with it though...it's just a heavy, 4130 cromo frame for that price. Well, so is the Pake frame, which is only $170! They are VERY similar, simple frame designs and made of the same metal. Here is why I think the FBM is priced so high...it's because they are still trying to make their money back from the amount of research and development that went into making the frame to begin with.

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    • CommentAuthoralexv
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2008
     
    if you have more questions about tricks on these bikes check out this forum:
    tricktrack.freeforums.org

    There's a very in-depth thread about running BMX cranks on our bikes, check it out!
    • CommentAuthoralexv
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2008
     
    and the Cutter has not been discontinued, and I have actually ridden one and it rides just fine and feels like it can take anything.

    Also there are MANY people running bmx cranks that abuse them to the fullest and they still have run strong.
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    yeah you just need to put lock-tite on the screw and torque it down.........and then remember to check it frequently
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2008
     
    Posted By: terrible_one49
    Posted By: the rabbi
    Posted By: terrible_one49I also would not ride cranks on a fixed gear that don't have a 5 bolt pattern chainring. Having the chainring bolt on with only one small bolt on the back of the crank arm, A LOT of pressure is put onto that one bolt and it's likely to either warp the sprocket faster, or even fail.
    ride a tree lite sprocket made for 19mm spindles.

    and also, all the bb's and standard english thread/euro bb.

    and the fbm's cost just as much as a bmx frame, i don't get the big deal on the price. handmade in america. would you really want to ride a lugged frame for tricks? that fbm is beefy and strong as shit, just like their bmx frames.


    FBM BMX frames are about $299. The Sword track frame is nearly TWICE that, at around $550.

    Here is my beef with it though...it's just a heavy, 4130 cromo frame for that price. Well, so is the Pake frame, which is only $170! They are VERY similar, simple frame designs and made of the same metal. Here is why I think the FBM is priced so high...it's because they are still trying to make their money back from the amount of research and development that went into making the frame to begin with.
    last time i checked, all the new fbm's were around $399. and it would make sense that the big bike would be more. more metal = more money. aircraft grade chromoly ain't cheap. and pakes are built by taiwanese builders that get paid a tenth of what they pay dave. $550 for a handmade american fixed frame seems like a legit deal.

    oh, and t1 shipped all their production to taiwan.
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    http://www.google.com/products?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=fbm%20sword&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wf
    $515.00 is the cheapest I could find a FBM sword for. When they came out, I thought they would be less and tried to pick one up at a LBS, and they wanted $650 for the frame online. So, they are slowly coming down.

    I guess Taiwan comes with popularity. It makes sense. Turn out more product, with a lower production cost.

    And just because it's made in USA, does not mean it's that much better than everything else. (but in most cases, it probably does!) haha.

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