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    I searched and i didn't find this anywhere....

    What straps are better?

    SAG Doubles or Toshi Doubles?
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    well the sags are usually like 20 bucks cheaper depending on where you're buying from.

    i'd like to know too tho
    • CommentAuthorknownaim
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    sags are leather and toshis are suede.
    • CommentAuthorGhibli
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    I use both and I don't feel the difference only the SAG's looks cooler.
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    the sags have a laminated leather outside and a suede inside
    • CommentAuthorknownaim
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009 edited
     
    the sags are actually reinforced with nylon between the layers of leather, much like mks or kashimax straps. very nice stitchwork on the sags as well.
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    Ok ok good info....

    I have single straps now and i was wondering if it's alright to run double straps on single strap cages....

    I have seen this before but does anyone have experience with this at all?
    • CommentAuthorwes m.
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    I've been doing it for more than a year. Works fine.
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    Posted By: brooklynbombsOk ok good info....

    I have single straps now and i was wondering if it's alright to run double straps on single strap cages....

    I have seen this before but does anyone have experience with this at all?


    Yep, works like a charm. The idea of the double is to give you better foot retention. The second strap will go on top of your cage and give you the same grip you'd have with a double cage.
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    Awesome, thanks everyone for your posts/advice.

    I think i'm gettin' some SAG's now :)
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    Posted By: knownaimthe sags are actually reinforced with nylon between the layers of leather, much like mks or kashimax straps.


    ....so are toshis
    • CommentAuthorknownaim
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009
     
    yes, but the sags are made of a leather laminate construction with proper stitching to give it more support, whereas the toshis are made with a suede laminate. the laminate material serves as the outermost layer; so while the construction of both straps is quite similar, one is ultimately choosing between external materials (or colors).
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    anyone know where to find em? the mash store is sold out.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009
     
    sag straps aren't the same quality as toshis.
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    and why is that?
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009
     
    friend has them. stiching broke within two months. then they started to de-lam shortly after.
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    where's the cheapest place to buy toshis?
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    well great....now i'm undecided :(

    Thanks for the info Rabbi...
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    toshis are the best. i have them and i couldnt be happier in investing that much money on straps.
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    has anyone tried both?
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    My vote goes for Toshi's. Been riding them for over a year, everyday, rain and snow, and they are still perfect (besides discoloring). No stretch or anything, and I ride brakeless.
    • CommentAuthorjayohachen
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009 edited
     
    Go for the Toshi's, been riding them since day one and have never had a problem with them. Except that I got white. Now they're brown and gray. The brown isn't from poo, well, not mine at least. Had some SAG straps but sold them cause I would've ruined them after a week of riding and they were way too pretty, so I ebay'd em.

    Does anyone have the Kashimax doubles? Same or better than Toshi's?
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    kashimax ones are usually more expensive ie you need maximum kash for em.

    probably not any better than the others tho
    • CommentAuthordrøn
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2009
     
    does toshi's come with doubleizers?
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    no
    • CommentAuthorigethypey
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2009
     
    like das_pyrate, i'm also wondering where's the cheapest place to get toshi doubles. preferably online
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    lowest i've seen have been like 85, but they were straight from japan, so it still came out to 100+ w/ shipping.
    • CommentAuthorJesse C
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
     
    Cadence makes a great double strap for about $50. Never tried Toshi or SAG, although I'd love to, but these straps are great.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
     
    Posted By: Jesse CCadence makes a great double strap for about $50. Never tried Toshi or SAG, although I'd love to, but these straps are great.
    $69 before shipping.
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
     
    Posted By: igethypeylike das_pyrate, i'm also wondering where's the cheapest place to get toshi doubles. preferably online


    there is very very little mark up on toshis, or anything from eai for that matter , so you wont find somewhere selling em much cheaper than someone else.
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
     
    hmm so somewhere around 100. well thanks for answering my question.
    • CommentAuthorxBARRYx
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
     
    i got the MKS Alpha Doubles, and i love them, they dont stretch or give at all, and NJS certified, but they do come with a $95 price tag
    • CommentAuthorcarlcastro
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2009
     
    I have Kashimax doubles and I haven't experienced anything else besides cheap single leather crap straps or nylon. And lemme tell you though... once you slide your feet in, and tighten it, your foot is stuck for good until you either constantly wiggle your feet over and over or loosen it yourself. These things don't loosen up at all, but when you hit the silver locking thing (not sure what you call this part), it loosens easily. Even if you don't fully tighten it, but get the straps to be perfectly fit so you can just easily slide your feet in, you'll get no float. These things look like they'll last ages and ages to come. Just dish out for some NJS stuff (I know this sounds sort of "go Japan! Go NJS stamp thing!" etc or whatever), but for the straps, it's really worth it. Way better to dish out the ~$100 and only have to do it once, than pay multiple times with cheaper stuff.
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2009
     
    +1

    this can be said for almost all bike parts
    • CommentAuthornrunyan
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
     
    has anybody else besides the rabbi had trouble with the SAGS?
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
     
    Posted By: nrunyanhas anybody else besides the rabbi had trouble with the SAGS?
    i really don't think they've been out long enough for people to have lots of problems. and it wasn't me, but a friend of mine.
    • CommentAuthorDoanut
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    Posted By: das_pyrateanyone know where to find em? the mash store is sold out.


    i haven't had any trouble with mine... I found the for about 85 bucks shipped..
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    where?
    • CommentAuthorDoanut
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    http://www.chariandconyc.com/saglife-doublestraps.aspx
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    "Out of stock"

    :/
    • CommentAuthorDoanut
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    wha??? i just ordered some and got them in.. what color you looking for.. try www.shopgiveandtake.com
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    "Sold out"

    :c
    • CommentAuthorDoanut
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    dude no way, did u call both places?
    • CommentAuthorDoanut
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    My LBS has the straps in stock. No black but they got most colors.. what color where u looking for. The shop is call Drif LA in Downtown LA

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