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    • CommentAuthornrunyan
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2009
     
    If I already have plastic clips and single straps, would I be wasting my money if I upgraded to metal clips and double straps?
    • CommentAuthorjam guy
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2009
     
    Do you really need them? Are you struggling with your current ones? Are you having trouble fitting your dunks in your clips? Kidding! If you answered no to the first two questions then your fine. But if you want true cred and you want to take your skids to the next level then I say go for it good sir!
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    It all depends on how much money you willing to spend. If you upgrade to some metal cages and toshis ($100-$125) then yes, it will be worth it. If your going to get some nylon doubles or cheap straps, no it's not worth it. I know it seems ridiculous to spend that much money on straps, but its better than spending 20-40 every couple months, because Toshi's will last years.
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    Posted By: GOBSTOPTODROPIt all depends on how much money you willing to spend. If you upgrade to some metal cages and toshis ($100-$125) then yes, it will be worth it. If your going to get some nylon doubles or cheap straps, no it's not worth it. I know it seems ridiculous to spend that much money on straps, but its better than spending 20-40 every couple months, because Toshi's will last years.


    +1
    • CommentAuthornrunyan
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2009
     
    haha thanks guys. i'll stick with what i've got for a while.
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    I went from plastic 2 gate clips with nylon straps to metal 4 gate All City brand clips with 2 nylon straps. It made a word of difference to me.
    But I like them really snug on my feet, and it's easier to keep them that way now. And it's more reliable for skidding and pulling up with my feet.
    The biggest reason I upgraded was because I was breaking clips and I also tore through a strap mid-skid.
    If things are working out for you right now I would say don't change anything, but if you're dying for a change then do it and I'm sure you won't regret it.
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    are the nylon clips really that bad? i was thinking of getting some because they're much cheaper and don't make that awful scraping noise in the unlikely even that i have to walk my bike.

    ps these will be paired with toshi doubles :)
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    The FIRST upgrade I made on my first fixed gear was throwing away the plastic cages and nylon straps and replacing them with some metal Soma cages with leather straps. It seriously felt 100000x better with accelerating and felt much more secure when having to slow down or climb hills. I would NEVER trust riding plastic cages, especially if you're riding brakeless.

    Riding Toshi double straps with cheap plastic cages would be really stupid. The Soma Quad Gate cages for double straps are only like 20 bucks and WELL worth it.

    Finally, after about a year or riding single leather straps, I went up to Toshi Double, and seriously...it was one of the best investments on my bike. They are so tight and secure that it gives you more power when pedaling when you pull up with your back foot.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    i have no idea who gave you people these bad ideas about plastic cages.
    95% of the time, i ride clipless. but if i am riding clips/straps, i am riding mks gr-9 pedals, all city 4-gate plastic clips, and mks fit-b double straps. i broke 4 paris of mks clips before i went to soma quad gates and then i got ahold of a cheap pair of mountain plastic toeclips and said goodbuy to metal forever.

    plastic does not tear up your shoes
    plastic does not hurt your feet
    plastic covers more surface area of the top of your foot (more secure)
    plastic are cheap to replace if one would happen to break.

    i don't know how i feel about the all city clips, i kind of like the shape of my old ones i picked up from the parts bin at the shop i help out at.

    all in all, quality straps are really what make your pedals secure.

    PS, i'll post pics of my pedal setup when i get home.
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    yeah i completely agree, rabbi.

    terribleone, you never really elaborated. why is it so stupid to have toshis with plastic clips? (besides the fact that they are $100 straps with $8 clips)
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    Get double straps and metal clips, its a world of difference
    • CommentAuthorryanpend
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    Posted By: FixedGearFixGet double straps and metal clips, its a world of difference


    +1

    I upgraded from crappy plastic/nylon singles and it has made the single biggest difference (improvement) that you can have in terms of efficiency and comfort.
    Go for it!
    • CommentAuthorTJW
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    metal clips and Toshi's= +1
    • CommentAuthorChainslap
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    Slightly offtopic (again); with size 11 shoes, wich size cages should i get?
    My guess is i'd better get L/XL rather than S/M, or is there any specific advantage to riding in smaller cages?
    (i.e. like your foot not getting stuck in the cage or something like that..?)
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    get l/xl.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    Posted By: das_pyrateyeah i completely agree, rabbi.

    terribleone, you never really elaborated. why is it so stupid to have toshis with plastic clips? (besides the fact that they are $100 straps with $8 clips)
    vs $20 metal clips? i hardly think the price justifies it.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    and everyone who bashes plasic will shut their faces when they run into a good pair of plastic clips.
    • CommentAuthoreaglerock
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    Posted By: ChainslapSlightly offtopic (again); with size 11 shoes, wich size cages should i get?

    Being that you're in Den Haag, one must ask: Size 11 US, or size 11 UK (size 12 US)?

    Since "normal size" in the bike world means a 140lb, 5'7" malnourished Italian guy circa 1947, I'd say the key here is bigbigbig.
    • CommentAuthorhenrydec1
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    i would say double straps are worth it.
    • CommentAuthorwes m.
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2009
     
    I just got back from a 20 miler on a bike with plastic road style clips and cheapo dimension double straps. I find this set up every bit as comfortable if not more so than my more expensive doubles and steel mks clips on one of my other bikes. I absolutely hate mountain style clips and the soma 4 gate style (the kind where the strap goes through the clip in 2 separate places). They pinch my feet.

    What are you guys doing to your bikes that causes you to go through clips and straps so quickly, cheap, expensive, double, single, steel, plastic, etc? Thats a serious question. I'm not a gentle rider but you guys make me feel like a major pussy sometimes with your talk of breaking clips and straps.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    i've had my mks straps for 4 years and they're still going strong. i've clipped in turns on my old conversion (had 175mm cranks on it), going up a curb (at speed) i clipped, once i was riding with my foot out of the clip and i hit a rock or something with my pedal, and on the last one one day i was just looking at my pedals and noticed my clip was cracked.

    Posted By: wes m.I absolutely hate... the soma 4 gate style (the kind where the strap goes through the clip in 2 separate places). They pinch my feet.
    +1 i used those for a bit. i never broke them, but they just hurt my feet so much.
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    Posted By: the rabbii've had my mks straps for 4 years and they're still going strong. i've clipped in turns on my old conversion (had 175mm cranks on it), going up a curb (at speed) i clipped, once i was riding with my foot out of the clip and i hit a rock or something with my pedal, and on the last one one day i was just looking at my pedals and noticed my clip was cracked.

    Posted By: wes m.I absolutely hate... the soma 4 gate style (the kind where the strap goes through the clip in 2 separate places). They pinch my feet.
    +1 i used those for a bit. i never broke them, but they just hurt my feet so much.


    How can they hurt your feet? Maybe if your wearing slip on vans with no socks, so only a thin piece of fabric is between the cage and your skin, but with metal cages, you can bend them up or down to make them fit your feet better.

    I've seen a few pairs of plasic cages break. All of them were from riding up a huge hill that required a lot of pulling up, or from skidding. They all cracked and snapped where they bold onto the pedal. However, I've seen FAR more cheap nylon straps break than plastic cages, so I guess I would rather ride toshi's with plastic cages, than the best metal cages with nylon straps!
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009 edited
     
    Posted By: terrible_one49How can they hurt your feet? Maybe if your wearing slip on vans with no socks, so only a thin piece of fabric is between the cage and your skin, but with metal cages, you can bend them up or down to make them fit your feet better.

    the little part that says "soma" on it has a gnarly convex to it. those dug into my feet. and i wear vans eras with socks.
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    Hmmm....damn. It would have been nicer if they just got rid of that round shape, and made the center area go down into smooth U shape. I guess that little round convex area was designed just so they could paste their logo there. I hate when companies sacrifice design/comfort and what would work best, for making a spot to place a logo, etc.
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    while we're on the subject of clips, what are the best double clips?
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    I would say the Soma. Not many other double strap cages on the market, if ANY, besides the Soma.
    • CommentAuthorwes m.
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009
     
    Someone is making doubles in the traditional road clip format. Like mks clips but with two strap loops, one right above the other. Maybe it was even mks who was making them. Im sure someone knows what Im talking about...
    • CommentAuthorknownaim
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2009 edited
     
    those are out from mks, all-city, planet x, dimension, that ebay company fubar, etc.
    • CommentAuthornrunyan
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009
     
    if i were going to try and use double straps with the plastic clips i have, are there any straps out there that are decent without having to spend the money for a pair of toshis or sags?

    i have found a pair of wellgo double straps.. any feedback on those?
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2009 edited
     
    all the non-laminated ones (wellgo, soma, all city etc) are ok

    imo it's worth it to drop cash on higher end ones. laminated straps don't slip/stretch as much. plus they'll last longer.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2009
     
    in a years you'll go through 2-3 sets of the cheaper double straps. at $30-$40 a pop, by the time the year is over you've bought toshis without knowing it.
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    exactly
    • CommentAuthornrunyan
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
     
    I have decided to stick with my plastic cages, but what double straps would you suggest?

    Should I spend 40 dollars on Soma doubles or 80 dollars on SAGS or big time 110 dollars on toshis?
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
     
    Posted By: nrunyanI have decided to stick with my plastic cages, but what double straps would you suggest?

    Should I spend 40 dollars on Soma doubles or 80 dollars on SAGS or big time 110 dollars on toshis?
    toshis or mks fit-alpha.
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    Posted By: the rabbi
    Posted By: nrunyanI have decided to stick with my plastic cages, but what double straps would you suggest?

    Should I spend 40 dollars on Soma doubles or 80 dollars on SAGS or big time 110 dollars on toshis?
    toshis or mks fit-alpha.



    mmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    You are riding a fixed gear , with no brake. Foot retention is your only way of stopping , so why are you skimping on your only safety feature ? When you dont have a brake, good straps are the smartest thing to buy for your bike , Any strap that isnt laminated in the middle is going to stretch , break, not stay in place, and so on. Get yourself a set of toshi's, Sags, or MKS and call it a day.
    • CommentAuthordas_pyrate
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
     
    nrunyan,

    how about reading the other thread you made?

    :/
    • CommentAuthorAaron C
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2009 edited
     
    Posted By: das_pyratenrunyan,

    how about reading the other thread you made?

    :/


    : P
    • CommentAuthorellwood
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2009
     
    I don't see why any of you guys would screw around with clips and straps when you could be using POWER GRIPS!!!
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    or better yet just use elf power
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2009
     
    Posted By: ellwoodI don't see why any of you guys would screw around with clips and straps when you could be using POWER GRIPS!!!
    because they are stupid?
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    Posted By: carbon fiber15or better yet just use elf power


    hahahahahhaha
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    Posted By: the rabbi
    Posted By: ellwoodI don't see why any of you guys would screw around with clips and straps when you could be using POWER GRIPS!!!
    because they are stupid?


    +1 , theyre terrible
    • CommentAuthor0bike0life
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    4 gate plastic clips, 4 pake straps with homemade doubleizers are the best pedal set up I've experienced. soma metal clips suck they bend and break. MKS are good I just think plastic feels more solid.
    • CommentAuthor0bike0life
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    I made my doubalizers with gorrilla tape haha. that shit is strong.
    • CommentAuthortrent510
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    Posted By: ChainslapSlightly offtopic (again); with size 11 shoes, wich size cages should i get?
    My guess is i'd better get L/XL rather than S/M, or is there any specific advantage to riding in smaller cages?
    (i.e. like your foot not getting stuck in the cage or something like that..?)


    The disadvantage of using LL clips is that they stick out further toward the wheel and you will have more overlap turning. Takes some getting used to if you are going from a smaller cage that has not overlap. Makes it much easier to skid however. +1 on the SOMA double straps, good bang for your buck I think.
    • CommentAuthorthe rabbi
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    Posted By: trent510+1 on the SOMA double straps, good bang for your buck I think.
    and when you have to replace them in 4 months?
    • CommentAuthordeermatt
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
     
    im not sure why this needs to be said over and over.. any strap without lamination in the middle IE soma, all city , christose (sp?) and so on , all are junk. Toshi, Sag, MKS , period.
    • CommentAuthor0bike0life
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009
     
    i'm a vegan so leather is not an option pake straps are trully pretty good. I've ridden my friends mks straps and they are good as well
    • CommentAuthorSkidMark
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009 edited
     
    I doubled up some Zefal/Christophe straps and it works way better than a single strap. I went out and blasted some skids from a much higher speed than I normally do and it felt much more secure.

    I think if you are not murdering normal straps then they are just fine. Some people just ride harder, or are less careful or something. it's like how some people strip hardware, axles, etc. and others don't. I've broken maybe 3 straps over the years.

    You should get toe clips that center the ball of your foot over the pedal axle, this is bike fit 101.

    I have Power Grips on my fixed/free MTB and they work great. They look dorky but they are from the same time period as my bullmoose bars.

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