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- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
whats the best way to paint a frame?
i was thinking about painting my frame black and getting gold pista drop handle bars and white handle bar grips.
i was told that you should sand your frame first but after that what do i do?
i also read about spraypainting your frame. whats the best process? -
- CommentAuthortorchestogether
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
My roommate has rattlecanned two bikes. He started by sanding by hand, getting most of the original paint off. Then he went to Autozone and bought a can of primer and two or three cans of paint. Several coats of both with time to dry in between. And then buying a cheap clearcoat to go over it will make it look amazing, especially if you do lots of coats. Rubbing compound will help with imperfections.
Good luck and show us the finished product! -
- CommentAuthorLyKqiD
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009 edited
I have rattle canned all my bikes.
You will need 2 cans primer, 3 of paint. Match the paint to the primer (mixing companies means that the curing compounds will differ. Keep the spray paint 6-8inches away from the surface you are spraying. Spray in a well lit and well ventilated area. Start with light coats and put a heavier coat on each time. The last coating you do will be a 'wet coat' where you put enough where as you almost have drip marks (avoid drip marks at all costs). From there wait 12 hours before you clear coat. Same process with the clearcoat
You can sand the frame, bead blast it, or buy aircraft remover. Aircraft remover is the best and takes the least elbow grease.
You paint job will only come out to the skill level in which you know how to use the paints. So I would practice on a few things before you start painting a frame. -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
do i have to sand my frame if its stainless steel? theres no paint on my frame. its just raw and to the bone. -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Do not use rubbing compound after painting your bike !!! Rubbing compound is for taking off the oxidation after years of exposure.
Use a paint stripper, the gel type. Brush it on, It will bubble after 30 min. Remove with a brass brush. Repeat as necessary.
You're going to want to sand down your frame with 300 grit for better primer adhesion. Then prime with a self etching spray primer.
Wait a day of two to let the primer dry completely. Apply your color coat lightly, do not try to cover all in one coat. Trust me !!!
Build up your color.... Use Duplicolor Automotive Spray Paint if you do not have excess to a spray gun. It will give you the best results.
When you have complete color coverage, sand lightly with 600 grit sandpaper until you feel a smooth finish. Be careful !!!
Wash down the frame and let sit for another day or two. Then apply your clearcoat.... just enough so you can see the wetness of the clearcoat.
Don't be in a hurry... after the paint has dried for a day you can sand with 1000 grit sandpaper to remove any imperfections.
You can use a polishing compound to achieve a incredible shine :) Good luck !!! -
- CommentAuthorlickedwicked 2
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
dont use regular wallmart spray paint! i have used it in the past with a bad outcome -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
if i was to get a professional to paint my frame where would i go? and how much do you think it would cost. i went to bike shop near my house and they said they didnt do powder coating or professional painting. -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
i just did some research on yelp and this one place charged $75 to sand it down and $90 to powder coat. is that a little pricey? -
- CommentAuthorlickedwicked 2
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
for the powder coat,no but dont have them sand it you can do that -
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Powder coating will yield the nicest results but you'd be surprised what you can do with a rattlecan.
Listen to the advice above about how to do it properly, Lykqid and danzap are very on point here.
Also remember to be patient when painting. Don't be in a hurry to get to the next stage because you wanna ride, you'll ruin the paint job.
You're going with a solid black so I'd say try the spray paint route first. Black is hard to fuck up if you do it correctly.
If you end up hating the results you can always get the frame blasted and powdercoated later but if you like the way it looks you've just saved yourself a ton of money. -
- CommentAuthortorchestogether
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Posted By: danzap209Do not use rubbing compound after painting your bike !!! Rubbing compound is for taking off the oxidation after years of exposure.
Hm, we must be thinking different 'rubbing compounds' because I used one when I was doing my fork after several layers of paint to smooth it out.
Anyway, jordanye. Having it professionally done might be recommended by a lot of people but you should listen to the tips these guys have got and rattle it yourself- saving you lots of dough for fancy upgrades or video games. -
- CommentAuthorsfbee
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Posted By: lickedwicked 2for the powder coat,no but dont have them sand it you can do that
They're more than likely going to be sand blasting the frame/fork during the process, which is far different that simply sanding down the frame. Sand blasting has the added benefit of eliminating rust from within the frame and fork as well, since it will blast off anything that it can reach.
I powder coated a frame recently, which came out to right about 120 for a premium coat. If I had gone with a basic coat, the cost would have come out to around 90. The cost of sand blasting the frame was factored into this price. -
- CommentAuthorRick M.
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
For powder coating, you must remove all paint from the surface. You also need and oven as the paint needs to bake for about 30 minutes at 300- 350 degrees.
I built my oven out of old heater boxes, fire brick and a duo propane burner system. I used controls from a propane stove with a thermometer to double check the temps. It works great and saved me hundreds on the cost of a store bought oven.
I collect junks and restore them. One day I will post some pictures. All of the bikes were throw aways.
For older bikes, if you want original paint, you can take the bike to a good hardware store and match the original polyurethanes. These spray on easy with few imperfections once you get used to doing it. A basic spray system can be bought for less than $120.00 including a decent compressor, (Harbor Freight or Big Lots should do,) and some pipe and tarps make a decent inexpensive paint booth.
For all jobs, proper surface preparation is the key! -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
so ultimately it depends on how much im willing to spend for quality
if i was to do it myself i probably wont do as great of a job as professionaly powdercoating my frame but it costs less -
- CommentAuthorTRICKonmyTRACK
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
I guess this question falls into this thread. Anyways i was just wondering if rattle canning your frame is a good idea. Cuz on one hand i hear it decreases your chances of getting it stolen but then it can also look worse. Would you recommend rattle canning or just taking all the stickers off? -
- CommentAuthoriron jaiden
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Posted By: TRICKonmyTRACKI guess this question falls into this thread. Anyways i was just wondering if rattle canning your frame is a good idea. Cuz on one hand i hear it decreases your chances of getting it stolen but then it can also look worse. Would you recommend rattle canning or just taking all the stickers off?
Lickedwicked. Finally got it. All makes perfect sense. It's like the scene in Superman II when Lois discovers Clark and Superman are the same dude. Except in this case it'd be like discovering Gallagher and Carrot Top are the same dude. -
- CommentAuthorcarbon fiber15
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
use a lock and bend the rear wheel to a 90 degree angle. any shallower and they will still take it -
- CommentAuthorRick M.
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
If you want a really good paint job and you are only doing the one bike, it is probably better to have someone else do it. If you are like me, (and obviously some others in here,) and have many bikes to do over, it is best to learn to do it yourself.
I paint bikes for others as well as restoration projects for myself and others. As retro bikes become more popular, so do the originals and many are willing to go the extra mile to have them completely restored.
I recently completed a mid-70's model Schwinn 10 sp road bike that was made for Sears & Roebucks. I sandblasted the frame, primed and used a dark purple urethane as this was an original for the bike. The toughest part was finding an original seat in good shape. I ended up restoring the one that came on the bike. While riding it downtown on an errand shortly after finishing the project I got into a conversation with a guy who offered me $800.00 on the spot for the bike.
Right now I am looking for decals for a 1994 ParkPre Comp Limited I found at the local dump. The paint is actually in great shape as are the dérailleurs, cassettes, brakes and wheels. I have found decals for about any major brand but I have not found these as yet.
I am also looking for information on an Omega Deluxe MT 18. I have two of these but cannot find any info.
Rick M. ramup2@gmail.com -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Nothings more satisfying that doing it yourself !!! It's even better when you can do your own decals :) -
- CommentAuthorAaron C
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
Posted By: jordanyedo i have to sand my frame if its stainless steel?
now i didn't bother reading this thread, as there are already about eight-bagillion of these threads-- but do you happen to own a submariner or something? if its just stainless just leave it alone. -
- CommentAuthoralexbet813
- CommentTimeAug 2nd 2009
i painted my bike here is what i did
1- remove all components and tape off the headset and emblem
2- spray the hole bike with aircraft stripper brand spray paint remover and wipe down with a scotchbrite sponge and paper towels (wear gloves i didnt and my fingers hated me for the next two days) *DO NOT RINSE THIS WILL RESULT IN FLASH RUSTING* repeat till frame is bare.
3- ruff up frame a bit with scouring pad
4- lay down two coats of primer
5- tape off your design if applicable
6-lay down 3 coats of color
7 let dry full 24hrs your all done enjoy
i payed the little extra for the "auto spray paint" and black i recommend bumper paint little tougher
if you would like to see the result you can look at my bike RIP Eddie -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
if i follow the instructions that everyone gave me above will the paint chip if i did a good job? or is that something unavoidable -
- CommentAuthorcarbon fiber15
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
it will chip if you ride it no matter what -
- CommentAuthorHyde
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
Don't rattle can your bike unless you really don't care about how it looks. You can do a rattle can paint finish that looks decent but it won't last the way a good quality spray job does & certainly won't look as nice. Powdercoat is also a good option so long as the shop is familiar with powdercoating bicycles. I've seen them turn out like $*#t. If you don't have the tools or the knowledge to paint it right, get a few quotes from some local auto paint shops. If you supply the decals they can apply them under a clearcoat so that the also look nice & stay that way. I designed the decals on my TREDICI(it is rattle cann'd in the photos, for reference. I wanted to do some testing before I put money into real paint). The decalls can be easily designed in programs like Illustrator & printed at a shop for about $30. -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
The trick to rattle can paint jobs is using lacquer paint, it can produce a high quality finish. -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
If anyone needs artwork done I can do it..... here's some samples
http://www.facebook.com/danzap209?ref=name -
- CommentAuthorjordanye
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009 edited
i cant see the pictures but im down to check it out -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
http://www.facebook.com/album.php? -
- CommentAuthordanzap209
- CommentTimeAug 10th 2009
I made my profile public, try again -
- CommentAuthorJoshua A.C. Newman
- CommentTimeAug 11th 2009
Still can't see it. Log out to try it yourself.
But I recommend powder coating. Spray painting is very time consuming and doesn't actually save you much money. You're talking multiple afternoons of work, plus multiple cans of paint and sundry materials. It can save you $25 to $50, but for a far inferior finish. -
- CommentAuthorsteelisreal
- CommentTimeAug 20th 2009
www.powdercoatstudio.com that is the best way. -
- CommentAuthorSNEK
- CommentTimeAug 23rd 2009
rattlecan is the way to go, It will save you alot of money and it is pretty easy to do. just sand down the frame and go to a hardware store and get some paint. I painted my bike this way for about $20. -
- CommentAuthorronvandenb
- CommentTimeAug 24th 2009 edited
Your frame will be less prone to chipping, when:
- You leave the primer to dry for a long time. 2 -4 weeks.
- Sand the primer with grit 225. That be the european grit count, would not know the US equivalent. When you access to a spray-gun apply a guide-coat. A very thin coat of heavily dilluted contrasting colour. This way you will know if you have hit every part when sanding the primer-coat.
Rattlecanning is a fine art and not for everybody.
One of the tricks is to submerge the can in water of about 40 degrees celsius. Long enough, so that the paint will take the temperature. The paint will flow more evenly.
Have a bunch of spray nipples handy and change them frequently. This avoids any built-up and thus splattering/large drops.
Get your paint from an automotive paint supply store. You get better quality paints. Fresh. And they can mix the colours to your specification.
As for stainless steel frames. There is something called etch primer, which will exactly do what the name suggests. Also a good choice when painting chromed parts.
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